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Topic: Battle of the compacts.
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mustangj
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: fergus,ontario,canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-30-2001 12:26 AM
   
I am the manager of a speed shop (Performance Improvements). I am starting to get frightened about how fast the II will be! My best freind has told everyone how quick my II will be.(there is already a line up of guys wanting to race me.) Also many of my customers Compact cars are getting really fast! I realize there will always be someone faster, but I hope I can spank all the sport compacts and imports at least!
One of my customers has a 98 Grand Am with a 75 horsepower nitrous kit on it. The car does 15.90 without and 14.00 with! Thats insane! My other customer has put a 200hp jap spec MX6 engine in his MX3. At the local street races it spanked a Integra type R (mid 14 second car.) My guys have lot's in store as well. Brandon my full time guy has the 200hp jap MX6 engine for his MX6. He has got headers and a 75hp nitrous kit for it too. My part time guy has a Sunfire that were fitting a Turbo coupe Turbo on. Speaking of Sunfires a dude in Sport Compact Car is running 13.8's with a GT automatic with a 100hp shot of N.O.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How it does not melt, I have no idea. According to the nitrous safty rules (10hp per cyl) for a stock engine with cast pistons, this his more then double the "safe" limit! I hope my 125hp nitrous kit will be enough! I wish I had forged pistons, then I could run a 200hp shot to give myself piece of mind and fewer close calls! ------------------
1978 Muscletang II t-top mach 1
1991 Lincoln mark 7
1997 Escort wagon type R
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a351must2
Gearhead Posts: 320
From: Snohomish, WA, USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-30-2001 09:24 AM
If all you have to worry about is high 13 and 14 second cars, a nicely built 302 Mustang II with good traction will be eating them all up.My slowest car is still my '96 Eclipse Turbo that's running 15psi of boost and some other minor modifications...and it should be somewhere in the 14 second range now.
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Gidyup302
Journeyman Posts: 93
From: CT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-01-2001 07:22 PM
Mustangj,your not really worried about the compacts are you? When you hit that switch you'll be surprised what a 125 horse can do to that 302.Besides when you hit your nitros The little impact next to you will get blown in the woods from your exaust and your engine will live another day to hit the switch again.
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UnbridledFury
Gearhead Posts: 1225
From: Tacoma, WA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 12-01-2001 11:23 PM
Don't sweat the small stuff...  ------------------
Motor Safe! George
1975 Mustang II
1994 Ranger XLT 4X4 (175,000+ miles)
2000 Windstar
Unbridled Fury Productions
http://www.pierce-county-mustang-club.org/
M&M Member #47
September 11, 2001 - A day we shall never forget
US Army, Retired
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MooseII78
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: LA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-03-2001 12:32 PM
With a bone stock 302 with a decent gear in the rear you would be high 13s in the 1/4.
Just for ****s n giggles i threw my powershot onto the wifes stock 350 vette and it clipped a 13.8 with 120k miles on her.The rice are neat little toys but as they say "theres no replacement for displacement" except a VERY fat wallet which none of these ricers have.
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Thinkkker
Journeyman Posts: 48
From: College Station, TX, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-06-2001 10:42 PM
So what are you planning? Other than the NOS?I am hoping for near triple the stock hp rating in the II (and with 4 less cubic inches!) I just hope I will have traction above 30. "you want a roll-on? SURRRREEEEEE, I guess I can give my launch up for a roll-on *snicker*" Oh well, More Cal 3 and Statics and such.
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cpmaverick
Moderator Posts: 1564
From: Auburn, AL.
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 12-06-2001 11:02 PM
There are plenty of imports in the 12s around here WITHOUT nitrous. All have turbos though.
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Thinkkker
Journeyman Posts: 48
From: College Station, TX, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-07-2001 12:42 AM
Most of the imports that run sub 13's, the front drivers and such. Dont last long, they tend to blow up.Just my .02 cents
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mustangj
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: fergus,ontario,canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-10-2001 09:48 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thinkkker:
[B]So what are you planning? Other than the NOS?306 with Edelbrock performer cam, intake and Holley 1850 600cfm carb. Comp cams magnum roller rockers 58cc heads with flat top pistons. Dynomax headers, duel exhaust. MSD stacker ignition. B&M C4 with 3.55 never-slip. (Car has been put on major diet) 275hp??????????????? + 125 N.O.S = 400hp??????????? mid 12's too much to ask????????????????? I will be the first to know
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1978 Muscletang II t-top mach 1
1991 Lincoln mark 7
1997 Escort wagon type R
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Thinkkker
Journeyman Posts: 48
From: College Station, TX, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-11-2001 11:53 AM
What heads are you running?That could be a BIG bottle neck the way it sounds for your combo.
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MooseII78
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: LA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-11-2001 05:36 PM
CP its all about efficiency..you can do it with forced induction or with an oxidizer like N2O. Thinkker is right though they do not last long.Im not knocking the rice..to me a street machine is a nice looking car with power and handling and they can certainly fill that bill. But put that same turbo set up on a v8 and hold onto your butt.
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mustangs68
Moderator Posts: 17837
From: Hampton,Virginia,USA MCA#39406 M&M #12
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-11-2001 09:11 PM
PT cruiser and a 5.0 Mustanghope this works 
sam
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mustangj
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: fergus,ontario,canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-12-2001 01:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thinkkker:
[B]What heads are you running?1975 58.2cc smog heads. I plan on replacing them with Edelbrock Performer heads someday. Vic Edelbrock had better invite me over a coffee, or something if I do buy them! My horse power number is based on an Edelbrock package goal. Engine Cid x 0.7-0.9 = HP. If you do the math my combo produces 214.2 to 275.4 HP (306 C.I.D)My hope was the roller rockers might boost me towards the higher #. The 1975 engine has a higher deck hight then a normal 302. My 58.2 cc heads got shaved when they were rebuilt. To add to my confusion the old pistons had a deep relief in them, the new ones are flat with 4 valve reliefs in them. So who knows what the compression ratio will be? Can't wait to see how quick/slow the car will be. I have to stop bench racing and finish the II ------------------
1978 Muscletang II t-top mach 1
1991 Lincoln mark 7
1997 Escort wagon type R
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Thinkkker
Journeyman Posts: 48
From: College Station, TX, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-12-2001 01:11 AM
So have you ported or helped the flow of the heads in any way?Just Curious, cause if you havent I would be willing to venture a guess that it will REALLY hurt the overall output of the motor, and then you may be running to much cam for the motor. Sounds cool but cant back it to well. Oh well, I have to bench race now since I have no money hehe
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mustangj
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: fergus,ontario,canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-12-2001 01:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MooseII78:
The rice are neat little toys but as they say "theres no replacement for displacement" I love the Imports, but when the 302H.O in the Lincoln can pull down 25mpg, I will just have to drive V8's (until they outlaw them anyhow) ------------------
1978 Muscletang II t-top mach 1
1991 Lincoln mark 7
1997 Escort wagon type R
[email protected]
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mustangj
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: fergus,ontario,canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-12-2001 10:20 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thinkkker:
[B]So have you ported or helped the flow of the heads in any way?Nope! I have always used this engine combo seems to pull like a train in the II's (Same engine has been in all my II's) This time everthing has been rebuilt. ------------------
1978 Muscletang II t-top mach 1
1991 Lincoln mark 7
1997 Escort wagon type R
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MooseII78
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: LA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-13-2001 03:36 PM
""275hp??????????????? + 125 N.O.S = 400hp??????????? mid 12's too much to ask?""Not with those heads
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