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R Rainwater
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From: Puxico,MO. USA
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posted 12-11-2000 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for R Rainwater   Click Here to Email R Rainwater     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright you'se guys ( or Gals ) just exactly what do I need to change a 75 II from 4 bolt wheels to 5? What Maverick parts will interchange. I need year model, etc..
Bob R.

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John Holloway
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posted 12-11-2000 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bob, you can buy 5 lug rotors from heidts hot rod shop for about $100.00 and if you want to drop the front end you can buy his 2" drop spindles.From what i remember the 8" maverick and 8" MII are the same.You can use the MII rearend housing,take out the 4lug axles,take the plastic gasket and center it on the backing plate of the maverick axels and redrill the 4 mounting holes for the bolts to tighten down the axles.you should use new axle berrings as you have to take off the old ones to redrill the holes,or you can take the backing plates off the 4lug and put them on the 5lug axels and not have any drilling to do,just switch parts John

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a351must2
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posted 12-12-2000 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for a351must2   Click Here to Email a351must2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maverick axles are actually a little short, but they still work fine. Early Mustang 5-lug axles also fit.

I've heard that '83 Ranger rear drums will swap right over the Mustang II pads with the 5-lug pattern.

The other option is to drill the holes so you can go to the 10" Maverick brakes....but then you'd want to upgrade the fronts to the Granada rotors as well.

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The Cobraman
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posted 12-13-2000 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Cobraman   Click Here to Email The Cobraman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stang II bearing retainer plates will not fit over the maverick shaft. You'll have to use the mav pieces and redrill, or turn and heat-treat the mav shafts to II specs to use the plates.

I'd get a 65-66 stang rear. Already 5 lug, and plentiful.

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rellik74
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posted 12-13-2000 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rellik74   Click Here to Email rellik74     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dont forget the Granada, to 1979, They are much easyer to to find than Maveric's. Especially if you find an X code axle, Limited slip.

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cbII
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posted 12-20-2000 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbII   Click Here to Email cbII     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ford Rear Dimensions
by Dave_C and the Fordnatics mailing list.
Here is a list of rear ends that I picked up some time ago on the Fordnatics mailing list.
These measurements are from flange to flange. Subtract 5" for bare housing length.

65-66 Mustang 57 1/4 inches
Dave W. personally measured:
74 Maverick 8" 56.5 inches
75 Mustang II 8" 57.0 inches
From Street Rodder:
57-59 Ranchero and station wagon rears, 57-1/4

The above is from the Archives here at M&M.

Now I have a couple of questions: Are the 65-66 9" and 8" the same width? What would be the problem of pulling the whole rearend out of a Maverick and putting it in a II. You really wouldn't have to modify anything then would you? And since it is still an 8" you could still use MII gears right?

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a351must2
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posted 12-20-2000 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for a351must2   Click Here to Email a351must2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The '65-'66 Mustang 8" and 9" are identical for width and perch location.
The '57-'59 Ranchero and Station wagon are both 9" rears as well...the Fairlane and Galaxy also had the same exact rear end for those years.

The problem ends up being that all of the above measer 43" perch to perch while the Mustang II is 43.5" perch to perch.

The '57-'59 rear ends come with 11" drums too...they overpower my 11" discs in front.

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cbII
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posted 12-20-2000 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbII   Click Here to Email cbII     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excuse my ignorance, but how hard is it to change the perch location.

My dad has the '57 Ranchero 9" in his '68 Mustang, but he is having problems finding replacement drums.

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a351must2
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posted 12-20-2000 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a351must2   Click Here to Email a351must2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for replacement drums...if he can't find ones for the '57 Ranchero, I'd search for a set of 9" brake hardware from another older Ford that still has replacements available (Like the '68 Musang with 9" rear) and swap the backing plate and brake hardware...as long as the brake uses the same width of pads, the axles should work with a different backing plate and drum.

Should be able to find information on replacing those drums on the internet as well...I seem to remember the '57 Thunderbird using the same drums, and I know those are available still.

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cbII
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posted 12-21-2000 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbII   Click Here to Email cbII     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if I manage to find a wrecked Maverick in the junkyard I should be able to use the rearend and the front brakes, correct? For the front I would need the spindles and rotors, or I could use the Granada front disc setup. Which is better? And the Maverick rear will swap in and only be 1/4" off on each side. Should probably be able to shim that right?

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Maxwell_fax
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posted 12-24-2000 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maxwell_fax   Click Here to Email Maxwell_fax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Granada 8.8" was about a half inch short perch to perch.. I just kinda bolted it in there anyhow... Seems to work okay other than I may have gotten a bit overboard when I gave them spec to make the new springs... Anyone need some springs for a 3/4 ton pickup?

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TomP
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posted 01-07-2001 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the Maverick rear end doesnt just bolt right in... the housing tubes are larger diameter which means your U Bolts and shock mounting plates aren't gonna fit.

The 57 brake doesnt interchange with later ones,the axle doesn't stick as far out of the housing,(2 1/4" versus 2 1/2") some shallower drums may fit, but this isn't ideal.

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streatrod1
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posted 01-15-2001 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streatrod1   Click Here to Email streatrod1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what i did was i sent my axles to mosers in indiana and bought 83 ranger drums. axle cost 75.00 and they put the bearings on i hadand the drums was 60.00(i think) anything i can help with give me a email. [email protected]

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wildstang
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posted 02-28-2001 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you use the Granada front disks you will need an andaptor plate for new calipers. If you look at like street rodder magazine you will see with all of the mustang II suspension kits there are brake kits for the 11 inch rotors. I am in the process of putting a M II style suspension in my 65 and bought the brackets through Afco Racing for around $21 apiece instead of $80-$100 from magazine adds. Excellent quality but you have to paint them. You also need chevy calipers from a 78- mabey up to 81 elcaminio or monte carlo I believe, just bought a new set yesterday also. I test fitted them and everthing just clears my 14" aluminum rims, actually I will just need to gring the casting seam flush on the caliper. If you buy everything new you will pay about $40-45 for the bracket, for calipers, pads, and bolt kit for them $85-120 depending on any deals you can get and not sure how the brake line will hook together. Afco Racing does have a web sight if any are interested www.afcoracing.com . Any questions just post them and I will try to answer them.

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mustangj
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posted 03-14-2001 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangj   Click Here to Email mustangj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by R Rainwater:
Alright you'se guys ( or Gals ) just exactly what do I need to change a 75 II from 4 bolt wheels to 5? What Maverick parts will interchange. I need year model, etc..
Bob R.


cheap way: get a street rodder mag and buy some 5 lug rotors for the front. for the back have a rear end shop re-drill the drums and axles. a local shop quoted me $75 canadian to do this. probably $3 american(joke) you may want to.......this is hard for me........put a chevy bolt pattern on it. the rotors are available with chev bolt pattern. this would allow more wheel choices for less money!
expensive way: pick up street rodder again and order caliper brackets. most kits are for s10 or granada rotors for the front. for the rear do the re-drill thing or bust the bank and put a lincoln versigh (spelled wrong) rear end in. it has disc brakes and is a 9" it will bolt in! the only mod is to the e-brake cable!

hope this helps!!

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mustangj
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posted 09-18-2001 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangj   Click Here to Email mustangj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I desided just to dig up the past for the new guy!

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R Rainwater
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posted 09-19-2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for R Rainwater   Click Here to Email R Rainwater     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought front rotors from Heidt's, and I'm going to send my rear axles to Moser's in Ind.
Bob R

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streatrod1
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posted 11-05-2002 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for streatrod1   Click Here to Email streatrod1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bob, was wondering how it worked out for you? [email protected]
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Originally posted by R Rainwater:
I bought front rotors from Heidt's, and I'm going to send my rear axles to Moser's in Ind.
Bob R


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R Rainwater
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posted 11-05-2002 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for R Rainwater   Click Here to Email R Rainwater     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have'nt had the time to do anything with the II yet, hopefully soon.
Bob R.

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