http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/52396845.html

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Tim

M&M Member #35
1965 Mustang coupe, 200 I6, Holley 2300, Clifford header, true duals w/ 26" Smithys
1988 Mustang GT AOD vert, 15.810 @ 88.871 mph 100% stock w/ no traction
1991 Ford Festiva, 30+ mpg, enough said
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/I65Stang.html

Interesting...they never needed painting...colored acrylic...
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Frank S.----MCA Member 40390
'03 Mustang GT coupe
'99 Mustang coupe
'77 Ghia--"II Good"

Perhaps at first glance but under the acrylic skin, the Bricklin was
a traditional Detroit sedan chassis: front engine, rear wheel drive,
recirculating ball steering, solid rear axle with leaf springs and drum
brakes, etc. The 351W was a 2 barrel low compression engine with cast
iron manifolds. Made all of 175 HP, IIRC. An AMC 360 was also offered.
The main attractions were the gullwing doors.

The Pantera is the real deal. Mid-engine Italian exotic, 351C, 5 speed
ZF transaxle, limited slip, four wheel disc brakes, double a-arm independent
suspension all around, rack-and-pinion steering. Would do 160 MPH.

> Anyone ever seen one of these in person or remember them?

There was one for sale here. Compared to my Pantera, the Bricklin looks
much more dated and a bit tacky in person. The fit and finish on this one
wasn't very good but I'm not sure if that was representative or not.

Carole

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66 Coupe, Arcadian Blue with standard blue interior C-code "Miss Stang" alias "Miss Cranky" and honored to be the M&M Ford Product for June 2003
99 Coupe, Crystal White, palamino interior, with 35th anniversary badging and stripes, 3.8 liter, daily driver "Anni"
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Member of the MCT Peanut Gallery

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

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MCA member# 53321
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"I started with nothing, and I still have most of it left"
I'm an optimist, but I don't think it helps much
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I didn't want to say it but I'm glad you did :-)

There's actually a guy here who owns both. The Bricklin is his wife's car
and the Pantera is his. I talked to him briefly but got the idea that he
paid someone else to do the wrenching so he wasn't that familiar with
either car.

The other 351C-powered car I want is a Series II Iso Grifo. Very sweet.
In my fantasy garage it would be parked next to the Pantera, the AC Frua
428 convertible, the GT40, the Shelby Cobra, the Brock Superformance coupe,
and the Intermeccania Italia.

I always thought the Bricklin looked more like the Saab Sonnet III on 'roids.

http://www.supercars.net/garages/VICIOUS/2v2.html

quote:

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Originally posted by Daniel Jones:
>
I always thought the Bricklin looked more like the Saab Sonnet III on 'roids.

http://www.supercars.net/garages/VICIOUS/2v2.html

Dan Jones

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quote:

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
There's a local guy here that has had one for decades. We still see it every once in a while. Alex is right, up close they are a turd.

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The 'Pantera to Bricklin' comparison is kinda' like saying a 68 Shelby GT-500 is kinda' like a 76 Cobra-II.

Of course, if I wasn't so partial to Panteras, I probably wouldn't give a hoot about the comparison...but we all gotta have our pet peeves, right?

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1971 'J' code 429 Mach 1
1976 'Starsky & Hutch' Torino
1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Yes. TVR use a variety of engines including 4 cylinder and V6 Fords (both
normally aspirated and turbocharged).

> I saw one about 15 years ago,IIRC it had a 302 in it.

The Griffith was a TVR that Jack Griffith had fitted with a 289, the 200
series had a plain 289, the 400 series had a 289 hipo. They were very light
but not very well developed and supposedly spooky to drive. Griffith went
on to develop a wide range of vehicles under the Intermeccanica brand.
See my partial list of Ford powered specials below for a list

> I have a 1971 Pantera in storage awaiting the finances for a complete
> restoration. And I mean 'COMPLETE'! It is currently undriveable, and in
> several pieces.

Cool. I have a '74 Pantera L in which I hope to install a new engine come
late spring.

> The Bricklin, on the other hand, sems more like a typical mid-seneties
> Corvette: Hefty, ungainly, nose-heavy and not too impressive in the power
> department. Sid's (the B.I.L.) had the Chrysler 360 4 barrel, which was only
> adequate for power,

Bricklin used AMC 360's which were a separate engine from the Chrysler 360.

Dan Jones

Parial list of Ford-powered exotics and specials:

Dan, of that list could you tell me which ones of those are actually good cars so I dont make this mistake again?

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Tim

The Pantera is a favorite, of course. The Mangusta was interesting but
not all that well developed and they are very cramped for someone my size.
Also about 10 times as rare as a Pantera.

The Iso's were very nice. Road tests of the period showed them to be
among the best of the exotic car category. The early Iso's used small
block Chevy power but later switched to 351C and a few were fitted with
big block 429/460 powerplants. They used a DeDion rear axle and a pressed
steel chassis. The prettiest are the late Series II Iso Grifo models.

The Cobras are well known but not many are familar with the Frua and
Ghia bodied cars. The Frua was built on a coil sprung 427 Cobra chassis
with a 6" stretch and a Maserati-like body by Frua. They were available
as a coupe or convertible with early bodies being made of aluminum but I
think later ones may have been steel. Here's a picture of a green
convertible with wire wheels:

http://www.carsonline.com.au/AC_428_Frua_cabriolet.jpg

and a couple of pictures of a silver coupe:

http://www.heritageclassics.com/ac/69ac428/69ac428ext2.jpg
http://www.heritageclassics.com/ac/69ac428/69ac428ext4.jpg

and one of the interior:

http://www.heritageclassics.com/ac/69ac428/69ac428int1.jpg

They even had a usable trunk:

http://www.heritageclassics.com/ac/69ac428/69ac428trk.jpg

and finally a grainy picture of coupe and convertible:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9839/Frua.html

With something like 29 convertibles and 58 fastback coupes comprising
the total production run between 1965 and 1973, the are considerably
rarer than a 427 Cobra but go largely unnoticed and sell for much less
than a Shelby Cobra. The silver coupe in the links above recently sold
for only $58,500 with just 19598 miles. I'd imagine body panels would
be next to impossible to obtain but most of the mechanical bits would
be shared by the Cobra.

There were also two Ghia-bodied cars commissioned by Shelby in 1965.
They may have been even prettier than than the Frua but I think both
chassis numbers turned up later with Cobra bodies when the Shelby
prices sky-rocketed. A shame when you think about it.

I don't know much about the Intermeccanica Italia but it looks decent
on paper: tube frame, Italian body, 9" rear with disc brakes, etc.

My friend's brother has an 86 Alfa Romeo Spider. He thinks it's fast, LOL. He took me for a ride in it last summer,and wrung it out. It felt like it was fast,until I looked at the speedo! We were breaking a whopping 45 mph. I will give him this: It has over 130K on it,and it feels as tight as a new one.

You might want to check this our if you've got a little spare change laying around..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6057&item=4513055422&rd=1&tc=photo

That sounds right. I know some of the early TVR roadsters used side curtains
like a Cobra. By the way, the Iso Grifo is a completely different vehicle
from the Griffith. The Griffith was an early TVR coupe that Jack Griffith
had a 289 V8 shoe horned into. The Iso Grifo is a larger 2 door exotic Italian
coupe.

> My friend's brother has an 86 Alfa Romeo Spider. He thinks it's fast, LOL.
> He took me for a ride in it last summer,and wrung it out. It felt like it
> was fast, until I looked at the speedo! We were breaking a whopping 45 mph.

A friend's MGTD is like that on back roads. It feels like you are reallly
moving but you're not.

If anyone is looking for a cool project vehicle, a guy in the Pantera club
has a couple of Pantera projects for sale:

> From: Kirby Schrader
> To: [email protected]
>
>
> Sort of testing the waters here to see if anyone is interested.
>
> Since it looks as if I'll be in Brunei longer AND since there is an
> opportunity to purchase a car that is more complete and ready to roll,
> I'm considering selling the two cars that I have which were planned to
> become track cars.
>
> 1) THPNNB05572 - A Group 4 body (with flares) that I bought from Keith
> Verges. Previously owned by a Michael Belcher Keith started making it
> into a vintage racecar, but never finished it. Titled.
> Various engine parts, roll cage partially finished, etc. More details
> if required.
> Picture at http://users.ev1.net/~schrader/PC080026.JPG
>
> 2) THPNMB02373 - Yet another rolling body that I initially started to
> turn into a racecar, but after buying the one above, that will not
> happen. Purchased in a roundabout way from Gary Hall. Titled. No
> engine. Picture at http://users.ev1.net/~schrader/PC080038.JPG
>
> So are these worth anything to anybody? Both are located in Houston.
>
> Otherwise, I guess parting them out is the other option.
>
> Constructive feedback is welcome.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Kirby

quote:

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Originally posted by Big D:
Tim,,

You might want to check this our if you've got a little spare change laying around..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6057&ite m=4513055422&rd=1&tc=photo

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There was one last week that was "buy the GT get a '04 Mustang GT for free ."

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Tim

quote:

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Originally posted by I65Stang:

There was one last week that was "buy the GT get a '04 Mustang GT for free ."

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Hey,, That would be great.. You and the misses would both have new DAILY DRIVERS..

quote:

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:

In case nobody knew, Malcom Bricklen also brough us the Yugo.

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He's the same idiot who's trying to introduce the Chinese Cherrycar, or whatever.

As far as comparing it to a Pantera, though, that would be like apples & oranges. Here's a shot of my former Pantera parked next to a Bricklin:

The Bricklin was never intended to be a "performance car", and the Pantera was never intended to be a "daily driver" here in the rust belt. They both have had image problems over the years, but are still dearly loved by their proponents.

Here's another shot of my Pantera:

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4491&password=&sort=1&cat=5 00&page=28

And a shot of a Big Block Chevy powered Bricklin belonging to a friend of mine:

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=27195&password=& sort=1&size=medium&cat=500&page=

(note the 3" exhaust pipe coming out the rocker panel ahead of the rear wheel)

I still wish I had my Pantera (and my GT350's) but, I just don't have the room (or the money) to keep all of my favorite toys.

regards,

Jeff

[This message has been edited by cobrajeff (edited 09-07-2005).]