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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-26-1999 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
George, since you are our resident Shelby expert, could you give us a few pointers on how to spot a real Shelby from a fake one? Thanks!

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-26-1999 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll leave it up to George to go into detail, but the only sure fire way that I know of is to check with SAAC. They put out the registry and and have all of the cars documented. Alex

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georgeb
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posted 11-29-1999 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for georgeb   Click Here to Email georgeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex is right. SAAC has the Ford VINs that correspond to the Shelby VINs. Of course, to see the Ford VIN you'd have to either take off the SHELBY VIN plate (rivets) or lift the passenger's side fender to read it on that side. Of course, that's not really conclusive as the VIN panels from a wrecked Shelby may have been spliced into the panels on a donor car (I've seen one that was obvious, and suspected another). SAAC will only verify that a Ford VIN equates to a Shelby VIN.

Ownership history is a little shaky, too; most of the time it's incomplete, and even if it isn't, trying to reach a person that owned the car 30 years ago may be a little difficult unless you're a close personal friend of Dionne Warwick's and can use the psychic hot line.

IF the car is in the SAAC registry, and IF you can trace back at least three owners (preferably back to when prices hadn't gone way up), and IF all the Shelby equipment installed is correct (manifold, carburetor, headers, traction bars, instruments, etc.)
a car is probably genuine. Key word is "probably"; caveat emptor. Also note that
Carroll has "signed" some clones that were very nicely done (according to one publication).

For '67s, if the fibreglass hood and trunk fit really well they have either been reworked, replaced, or the car is a clone; original '67 panels were pretty poorly made and didn't fit very well. '67s also had a rather distinctive wood rimmed steering wheel; but some of these are available from wrecked cars and clone builders snap them up for $1,500 to $2,000.

Also, Carroll didn't run an extremely tight ship at Shelby American, sometimes methods varied in minor ways, and records weren't strictly kept. A "for instance" of this is that '67 Shelbys used mechanical oil pressure gauges with spaghetti tubing; the tubing was sometimes routed through the firewall sharing an existing grommet, and sometimes a separate hole was drilled to accommodate it.

[This message has been edited by georgeb (edited 11-29-99).]

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BmxKris
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posted 02-17-2000 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BmxKris   Click Here to Email BmxKris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sisters friends dad has a 65 shelby rent-a-racer sit out next to there barn rotting away and he wont even take offer's.Its under a tarp but has a rust spot on the side in the door. Its black with gold stripes. A sad story if you ask me.

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k_mesaros
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posted 03-03-2000 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for k_mesaros   Click Here to Email k_mesaros     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GT-350H just sitting in the grass beside a barn???? Say it aint so!

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 04-26-2002 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BmxKris:
[B]My sisters friends dad has a 65 shelby rent-a-racer sit out next to there barn rotting away ........B]


Weren't they '66s?

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posted 04-26-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the Hertz cars were '66.

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posted 05-22-2002 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HIGH-RISER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For 67's, most of the stuff is available repro. The one part that is not is the little snubbers in the front of the rear springs behind the spring eye. These were a C7ZX # and most cloners forget about them. Also the rear end case says "SPEC" in a little pad unique and hard to find. The rear tail light panel is stamped with the logo "Cal Automotive" if you look hard enough. The 8 grand tach has that pink resistor wire (as did other 8 G tach cars) and that damn Bakelight junction block on the inner fender next to the battery. There were 3 different steering wheels that all look alike, and the same with the lower scoops.

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TomP
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posted 05-23-2002 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These snubbers?
Were they some sort of traction device? Where did they snub on?

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posted 05-25-2002 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HIGH-RISER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tom, they were nothing more than upper A-frame stops. They are mounted to the floorpan and contact the spring as the leafs deflect upward (right behind the eye). Anti wind up, or hopper stoppers, or whatever name you want to chose, they worked in conjunction with the pinion snubber. Lots cheaper than either the under/over rides I'm sure. The only cost would have been in the casting (not much there either).

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-25-2002 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted last week about a 66 "Hertz" car that had been clipped. Done neatly with very good metal work, a 6 cyl clip all the way back to forward of the dual exhaust hanger brackets and body reinforcement behind rear seat.Roof probably spliced at pillar. THE SHELBY TAG ON THE DRIVER APRON IS LISTED IN THE REGISTRY. What gave it away, Tiny little di*gleberrys on the core support underneath where 6 cyl rubber strip staples filled in, 2 holes on firewall indicating 6 cyl gas pedal. And, with the owner present, tag removed showing a T engine code. No tag at all on driver door. All engine externals were correct but internally no solid lifters and a telltale C-8 casting No. on block. Supposedly, the car had been badly wrecked and buyer was told it had been in an accident. What No. is on title is unknown. It was apparently orig only from that splice back.

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-23-2002 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Early Hertz cars were left over 65's that were re-titled as 66's. There are not many left, but they can spotted rather easily as they are black and gold and have no quarter windows.

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