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SkinnyMan
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From: Tupelo, MS - USA (CA temporarily)
Registered: Jan 2005

posted 12-01-2006 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkinnyMan        Reply w/Quote
Toyota Outsells Ford for Second Time Ever
DETROIT Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) sold more vehicles in the U.S. last month than Ford Motor Co. (F), marking the second time ever that the No. 2 domestic automaker was beaten out by its Japanese rival.
Ford reported Friday that its U.S. auto sales dropped 9.7 percent in November compared with the same period a year ago. Toyota sold 196,695 vehicles in November, a 15.9 percent increase over November 2005, compared with Ford's 181,111.
Toyota's sales, including its Lexus luxury brand, were boosted by a 17.8 percent increase in light truck sales. Sales of the RAV4 compact sport utility vehicle had their best November ever, up 156.9 percent to 11,425. Toyota's car sales were up 14.5 percent to 109,126.
Ford's light truck sales dropped 13 percent to 119,259, while car sales fell 2.6 percent to 61,852, reflecting lower deliveries to fleet customers.
But the Dearborn-based company said car sales to individual retail customers were up for the Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MKZ midsize sedans. Ford's figures include the Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Volvo and Land Rover brands.
Ford's share of the domestic market has declined from around 26 percent in the early 1990s to 17.6 percent at the end of October. In July, Ford sold fewer vehicles in the U.S. than Toyota for the first time, but Ford's U.S. sales surpassed Toyota's in August through October.

SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 12-01-2006 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
We need to get used to this. GM is next.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '70 Mustang Convertible - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 XL

BLstangin
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Posts: 856
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Apr 2002

posted 12-01-2006 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin        Reply w/Quote
Ya I got a 92 toyota camry in almost mint shape cause the tranny wanted to go forward all the time. I pulled it down and it had a smoked forward clutch pack. I rebuilt it and put a new timing belt in it and water pump. All water hoses and just got it together last night. Took it for it's first drive by me and I gotta tell ya I like it. It's stable has plenty of power for a 2.2 headlights work good and it cruises really nice. Did I mention it has 258,000 miles on it and the guy that owned it before me is the guy i run circle track with. His wife drove it over 100,000 of those miles. He said he put a cv shaft in the left side and plugs until the trans went. Best part it gets 35 mpg. Pretty hard to compete with that. I know i'm impressed.

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. currently engineless, soon to be 427w dart block based stroker, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 3.50 9" locker rear.
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans


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68 Coop
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From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-01-2006 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
I have never, nor will I EVER, own an import car.

Moneymaker
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posted 12-01-2006 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote

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Alex Denysenko
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-01-2006 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
I look at all of this as a war.
One battle at a time.
This particular battle was won by Toyota.
We all know who won the last war.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28

The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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stroker man
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From: Denville NJ USA
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posted 12-01-2006 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man        Reply w/Quote
all american for this dude.

67stang
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From: Panama City, FL
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posted 12-02-2006 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67stang        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stroker man:
all american for this dude.

So there is nothing foreign in your driveway or household?

You must live in a cardboard box and ride a skateboard. (no offense)

Otherwise your statement is false.

I own vehicles from 2 of the big 3, but I won't say they are american. To many foreign parts on them.

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-02-2006 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BLstangin:
Ya I got a 92 toyota camry in almost mint shape cause the tranny wanted to go forward all the time. I pulled it down and it had a smoked forward clutch pack. I rebuilt it and put a new timing belt in it and water pump. All water hoses and just got it together last night. Took it for it's first drive by me and I gotta tell ya I like it. It's stable has plenty of power for a 2.2 headlights work good and it cruises really nice. Did I mention it has 258,000 miles on it and the guy that owned it before me is the guy i run circle track with. His wife drove it over 100,000 of those miles. He said he put a cv shaft in the left side and plugs until the trans went. Best part it gets 35 mpg. Pretty hard to compete with that. I know i'm impressed.


But at the end of the day you're still driving a crappy old Toyota.

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Ci8UUP
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Posts: 631
From: Renton, Washington
Registered: May 2005

posted 12-02-2006 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ci8UUP        Reply w/Quote
I drive a Mustang because I like it, not because it's pseudo-built in the states, nor because it's a pseudo-American company. I put aside my partisan shopping a long time ago because it does not matter.

I will never buy a Japanese truck because they still have no clue as to what a truck's use is, to haul stuff. All those cutesy T-100's can't even come close to hauling a big trailer or a 2,000 lb payload.

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-02-2006 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
It does indeed matter. The workers in Flat Rock, Michigan are not pseudo-workers, the plants in the US are not pseudo-plants, the symbiotic businesses that exist to support those plants are not pseudo-businesses, the financing that remains in the US instead of migrating to Asia is not pseudo-financing and the net result of us voting with our feet and moving value and equity from the US to Asia is not a pseudo-net result.

I'm going to continue buying American made cars until they stop building them and if they ever stop building American cars I'll stop buying new cars and keep the cars I have rolling indefinately.

Toyota owners may be amazed when they have a car with 200k on them, we old American car and truck drivers just call that a used car.

Rhetorical question: If Asian cars are so well built, where are all the old ones?

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '70 Mustang Convertible - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 XL

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BLstangin
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Posts: 856
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Apr 2002

posted 12-03-2006 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLstangin        Reply w/Quote
Ya but steve it's cheap and reliable, so that way I can spend money on my stang and then break it!

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1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. currently engineless, soon to be 427w dart block based stroker, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 3.50 9" locker rear.
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans


http://www.supermotors.org/registry/vehicles/detail.php?id=7794

n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 12-03-2006 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
It does indeed matter. The workers in Flat Rock, Michigan are not pseudo-workers, the plants in the US are not pseudo-plants, the symbiotic businesses that exist to support those plants are not pseudo-businesses, the financing that remains in the US instead of migrating to Asia is not pseudo-financing and the net result of us voting with our feet and moving value and equity from the US to Asia is not a pseudo-net result.

I'm going to continue buying American made cars until they stop building them and if they ever stop building American cars I'll stop buying new cars and keep the cars I have rolling indefinately.

Toyota owners may be amazed when they have a car with 200k on them, we old American car and truck drivers just call that a used car.

Rhetorical question: If Asian cars are so well built, where are all the old ones?


The line between foreign and domestic gets more blurry every day. I'm sure there's not a single computer chip, piece of chrome, wire, and most of the other parts that are actually made in the USA on ANY vehicle out there. The 'Big 3' call America, NORTH AMERICA. They include Mexico and Canada. Chances are, you're Ford's parts are made in China and assembled in Mexico.

Well... Ford maintains 70-some percent of the PARTS are assembled in 'America'. I'm sure the parts in the parts are made in China.

In West Virginia, we have no 'Big Three' auto plants. We used to have a stamping plant that made body panels for various manufacturers, but those jobs went overseas. Same with a wiring harness business. About all we have left is a HUGE Toyota plant that assembles engines and an NGK spark plug factory. Weird, huh?

Yes, I drive an old Nissan as a daily beater.... but just had the Mustang out today burning some rubber since it was a rare 'warm' 50 degree day in December.

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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Toronado3800
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Posts: 1163
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 12-04-2006 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toronado3800        Reply w/Quote
A big problem in the last war was Japan's inability to produce war goods on par with the U.S. Japan isn't the biggest of my "concerns", but gee, I can't wait for my kids or grandkids to go to war with a China that has a home made military as advanced as our.

This matters, due to us and our father's, America isn't #1 in much anymore. End the Marshall plan. Buy American whenever possible. A "W in 04" sticker on a BMW makes me not want to vote for a "W" whenever, and take that "Support our troops" sticker off your piece of German, Japanese, or Korean pride.

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