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Sub Stanger/Oxford White 2003 Mach 1.
MCA Member #61863

Past Mustangs: '84 GT 5-speed; '91 GT auto; '70 M-code Mach 1, grabber yellow; '95 GT-S 5 speed, green, wrecked and totalled; 1995 GT-S 5 speed, bright yellow; '94 6-banger, wifes; '89 LX 5.0 vert, '90 LX 5.0 hatch, '69 M-code Mach 1, 4 speed, 1990 5.0 LX 'vert w/ AOD converted to T-5.

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

There was a big uproar a few years ago about corruption in the New Orleans PD and I thought it had been cleaned up. I guess old habits die hard.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'05 Mercury Sable LS 3.0L DOHC 24V Duratech V6

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Originally posted by trashline:
Good god. What is this world coming to? I hope they are all fired. If I was in charge of that dept id resign instantlly. They lie on national TV "looking for looters" ha my a$$ that is total bull crap. No wonder they are having so many problems. Now when I see the interview of the mayors and police chiefs crying for help I will laugh b/c honestly what would they do with it they cant even control there assigned personnel anyway. That was sad and discusting. a total discrase to the US. And before osmeone brings racial prejudice into the picture look at this, We all know New orleans is predominatly black but every fricken volunteer I see down there is caucasin, so I dont want to hear the crap that the president doesnt like black people. also the first guy that was a cop "looting" was a white gentlemen. god this is disgraceful and makes me sick.

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Sub Stanger/Oxford White 2003 Mach 1.
MCA Member #61863

If you've been living in water up to your waist for three days and haven't eaten for three days, with no sign whatsoever of rescue in the near future, how could you NOT help yourself to a pair of jeans and a box of crackers and a gallon of milk for your children?

The food is going to spoil anyway. Why not put it to good use? What will the stores and the insurance companies do with the merchandise that remains in the stores?

Not that I condone such actions but the events of the last week are so much more severe than anybody could have anticipated.

Simple ethics tells you if it isn't yours, you don't take it.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'05 Mercury Sable LS 3.0L DOHC 24V Duratech V6

Regarding the looting, though, I am responding to . . . .well, a couple of margaritas LOL (both Alex and Tony went out this morning, so I have been "celebrating" their demise here at the US Nationals).

You know, and I don't normally feel this way, but this is the truth: Any business owner in his right mind has full insurance. And the business is a total loss. So every item on the shelves is already written off. Most things in stores are all but abandoned, as those people who did leave will not be allowed back in for quite some time. Those who are left in N.O. have nothing. So what if they take a TV. They have no power to run it. So what if they take some clothes, they have none. So what. If it makes them feel better, for God's sake, let them.

Yes, I was raised much better than that. I was raised so that if they said "leave, a storm is coming," I would go, because I have a job and could afford to go. The majority of the people left there do have the means to get out from most reports. They are the inner-city poor, most without transportation and little or no money. So if they want a TV, let them have it.

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Beth

"My best friend is the one who brings out the best in me." - Henry Ford (for Alex)

Yes, any intelligent businessman has insurance. The insurance companies then takes possession of the merchandise they covered and sells it for salvage to mitigate their losses. The difference between loss and reclaimed value is then shouldered by us in the form of higher insurance premiums.

Theft is theft, there's no rationalizing it.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'05 Mercury Sable LS 3.0L DOHC 24V Duratech V6

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Originally posted by DidgeyTrucker:
Would you want to walk into that WalMart two or three months from now and buy something that stayed there through the hurricane and the flooding?

If you've been living in water up to your waist for three days and haven't eaten for three days, with no sign whatsoever of rescue in the near future, how could you NOT help yourself to a pair of jeans and a box of crackers and a gallon of milk for your children?

The food is going to spoil anyway. Why not put it to good use? What will the stores and the insurance companies do with the merchandise that remains in the stores?

Not that I condone such actions but the events of the last week are so much more severe than anybody could have anticipated.

Tracy

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those female cops had more then crackers and a pair of jeans. they were taking advantage of the situation. I can understand the needs of a person must be met but come on a shopping cart. also the lights were still on in the store and I didnt see any water inside. people just being disrespectful is all i saw.

those cops were on duty for one the weapon belongs to the and in the station when off duty. as with the radio. (up here anyway)

Beth what about everybody else? the people who dotn have a walmart it isnt fair it just isnt fair. not everybody are looters. like I said above some food is justable but at the end did you see that pick-up truck full of stuff with more next to it. now if that person was going to drive around and distribute the goods Id be for it but I bet you he was just loading up and half that crap will be on ebay.

Those police are the strength of the area, they are supposed to hold order not create it. If I saw a cop blow by me on the highway doing 100+ mph and I get down the road and he was eating burgers with his friends does it give me the right to speed? hell no. same thing. Yes I understand the situation but dont take advantage of it.

And like Steve said it just inst morally correct god didnt create us to steal and loot. he did tach us to survive but there are othe rmeans of oging about it.

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

If I caught one of my son?s stealing like that, even under those circumstances, I would tan his hide.

Those female cops were not even smart enough to wait until they were off duty and then change out of their uniform before breaking the law and ripping off that Wal-Mart store. If I were the manager of that Wal-Mart I would press charges on those cops.

Beth, I?ve seen video of some of the people in N.O., it?s down right heartbreaking what they?ve been through and what they are going through now. One of the interviews I just couldn?t stand to watch a second time because it was that heartbreaking. The guy just couldn?t hold on to his wife during the storm and lost his grip on her in the flood. The last thing she said to him was take care of the kids and grandkids. He was still searching for her at the time. I had to stop watching the news for a while because I didn?t want to see more stories like that.

Even so, the people that are doing all of this stealing are not in the same peril this guy was. If I were a storeowner, could afford it or had good insurance, I would be giving food away. Even our local food chain, Albertson?s, was giving away food that would spoil to anyone that entered the store the day after each hurricane. But, I didn?t see or hear any cases in central Florida where looting was taking place.

It's not right, but I tell you what, we can't fairly judge unless we walk in their shoes. So I won't judge. I will just pray for them all. They sure do need that.

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Beth

"My best friend is the one who brings out the best in me." - Henry Ford (for Alex)

One Officer was on MSNBC calling them Cowards,this was also some "high Ranking" officers.

Don't know,CAT 5 head my way I would have a real hard time with duty and family and Family just may win.

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Originally posted by mustangs68:
Also not report on National News,I read an AP report on Drudge that 1/3 of the NOPD left,some turned in thier badge some never been heard from since before the Hurricane.

One Officer was on MSNBC calling them Cowards,this was also some "high Ranking" officers.

Don't know,CAT 5 head my way I would have a real hard time with duty and family and Family just may win.

Those two "meter maids" may find theselves in deep trouble once things are said and done.
Sam

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the CAT 5 didnt seem to bother all the people who were stuck inside there attics and HVAC ducts. and houses and trees. I can speak from experiance with this subject.

over this past spring the Delaware river flooded yardley for the second time in 6 months. being apart of the emergency services we partaked in notifying residents along the river that it was coming up quick. I was there for Id say a full day. WE again went back and adivsed people that they will be flooded out this time the water was just yards from there property. Then the canel and river met causing confusion with people trapped. If they woudlve listened the first time they wouldve not risked our life. But we do what we have todo. and i understand people cant just get up and leave everything they own. It was a bad sight.

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

They have 14-15 year old kids down there acting more like adults than anybody else.

What I find alarming is that two N.O. Police Officers took their own life because of the conditions they worked in for the last 5 days.Several have just turned in their badges because of the mental pressure and conditions,these men and women have reached their breaking point.

The 1st responders all across the Gulf States will need care after this to avoid the pitfall of PTSS (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome)

A lot of these are Volunteers and not Professionals which makes the care even more important.

The true character of a person comes out in situations like this. Plenty of people spending lots of time bashing those in charge instead of being a pro-active participant in the improvement of life in those areas. Folks in N.O. need people to chip in and help lead, not bash the leaders for lack of planning. There was a mandatory evacuation in N.O. prior to the storm. Those that chose not to heed that warning, lose their right to whine thereafter. That having been said, I empathize with those that were unable to leave for various reasons, whether they be financial, medical, etc.

It's an unfortunate reality that bad character traits often come to the forefront in situations like this. It's a fortunate reality that there are also plenty of positive character traits that are coming into play also. Look at all the churches coming together to sponsor families. Look at all the donations coming in. Look at all of the volunteers coming forth to do what they can. The good will always outweigh the bad, it's just not always noticeable until later.

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Originally posted by mustangs68:
IMHO,
those two women were just low level Meter Maids with little skill in rescue or recovery.More than likely they were school crossing guards...

Sam

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How many school crossing gaurds carry guns and other sidearms?
They are clearly cops, and they did admit they were there to look for 'looters'. Too bad they couldn't find any.

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Originally posted by cobravenom71:
How many school crossing gaurds carry guns and other sidearms?
They are clearly cops, and they did admit they were there to look for 'looters'. Too bad they couldn't find any.

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Sam dont take this the wrong way but I think your wrong, and I find your comment extremely offensive. but i respect your opinion.

"(Please don't get me started on Volunteer Fire and Rescue,Most are great,well trained, but many are just there to ride on the fire truck,I am a advocate of Professional Fire and Rescue Services.)"

I know you stated most are great but you are wrong. And actully I think it is backwards. the key words are volunteer and professional. We have aprox 40 sets of gear hanging up in my firehouse. about ten of those make 50% of calls or more each month. But each one of those 40 sets would risk more then there life for the average Joe. Without getting paid, sure there are insentives but the biggest is helping those in need. and saving property. Sure we get a rush from entering a burning building thats b/c we know our life could end at any minute while inside. Volunteers tend to risk more then professionals why b/c we care, if we didnt we wouldnt do it. Professionals are there to perform a job day in and day out they have limitations. I respect professionals a great deal My own uncle is a LT for philadelphia. but there trucks are beat there gear is old so they have limitations, I on the other hand have state of the art equipment at my finger tips new gear and constant training which helps whether I make the decission to stay in side longer.

I see where your coming from there are always bad eggs who willa ctully set fires and are "wackers". most fire depts have a extensive board checks with local state and federal authorites. To weed out the bad. And if they have prior experiance we get in touch with there old chief for additional background info. But I disagree on your views towards volunteer fire companies. If i didnt like helping people I wouldnt do it.

now again back on topic.
They were not prepared like they shouldve been the residents and authorites. It is a total shame that people have togo thru this but we cant control mother nature we can control where we set up camp and our protection. This is the problem with alot of people of today they think of today and tomorrow not two weeks from now or ten years from now. And it bit them from behind. Everyone knew this would and could happen but the simple fact is they just ignored it. I really feel sorry. And if I wasnt tied up with school i would be down there myself even if i had to drive my car.

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam

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Originally posted by mustangs68:
trashline,
I understand,my experience comes from Waste Management,Haz-Mat.

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam

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Must be a VA thing. Up here fire fighters and EMTS dont get along. Well we do but we never switch sides. So you will never see me push band aids. My company does alot more then fight fires, our specialty peice is our heavy rescue. Vehicle extrication, industrial rescue. and fire rescue is whats covered in our area. In these situations we rule why b/c we have the equipment to remove paitents.

Fire fighter 1 which is the main training class has first aid and cpr, aed training so we do get trained for life treatining situations.

I truely actully am sorry that you have obviously had bad experainces with vollies. Actully we have three members who work at Waste. but I am sorry for your experiances, i would love to drag youup here for a week and see what a good company is like.

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

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Originally posted by mustangs68:

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam

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you had rather it burn down?????

Sharing my morals with you, if I needed food or water or clothes, I would take it, but I would also return to pay the store back, but that is me.

As for the police, it is not surprising, I have seen police officers lie on the witness stand just so they could convict an individual, which in my mind makes them no better than the criminal they are trying to convict.

In the end it is your morals that will prevail in times of crisis. Some of those who stole will return and pay back what they stole, they may have had a momentary lapse of judgment in a time of crisis... some will not.

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Originally posted by mustangs68:
trashline,
I understand,my experience comes from Waste Management,Haz-Mat.

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam

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In many areas of the country, volunteers are your only choice. As a former volunteer in both an only EMS house and a Fire/EMS station, I can tell you that in the station I ran that had both Engines and Ambulances, we had several members who were firefighters and EMTs. Every system has it's problems, be it all volunteer, all career or a combination of the two. The main thing is that if my house is burning down, or I need medical help, I don't care if it says Volunteer or not on the side of the piece, I just care that there are people out there who are willing to risk their lives for mine.

To back up trashline, it's true that in any company you have several members, but there is a core group that keeps the place running. You always see the same names on the top runner lists. There are a variety of reasons for this. Sometimes it depends on work schedule or whatever. I ran when I could but my family always came first.

Yes, there are some members who only care about being on the piece for the excitement of the lights and sirens. But there are also always a core group who see beyond that. If someone is willing to risk their life for mine and ask nothing in return, they deserve at the very least my respect.

Sam, I have seen many of the people who have mentioned, but I have also seen many of the people who truely understand what they are volunteering for.

My wife never understood what it meant to be a volunteer, until one day we were driving home from a camping trip. A car ran off the road in front of us on a busy interstate. I immedately pulled over and rendered whatever aid I could. When all was settled and we were once again on our way, it was only then that she looked over at me and said "I understand now." After that, she had no problem with me going to the station when tones dropped on the scanner.

Sam, while I respect your opinion, I must disagree with it. When someone needs help, they may not have the choice of getting volunteer or career staffing.

Do I want my house to burn down,no I'm willing to paid with my tax dollars for a Professional Fire Dept,would you want a VOL Police Officer to respond if you needed a one

Sam

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Originally posted by mustangs68:
If Volunteers are to supplement the force,to assist when/as needed,under the guidance of the Trained Professional I have no problem.

Do I want my house to burn down,no I'm willing to paid with my tax dollars for a Professional Fire Dept,would you want a VOL Police Officer to respond if you needed a one

Sam

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Sam,

In some areas, there is just no money to pay for a career fire department. Here in Charles County, Maryland we are experiencing the growing pains of going from a volunteer force to paid personell. Under our system, there is a porton of property taxes that go to fund the volunteers, both equipment and training. With the growth our area has experienced over the last 20 years, we can no longer rely on volunteers totally for EMS (our fire service is still all volunteer). The county is hiring paramedics. The down side is that everytime you are carried to the hospital via a County owned rig, you will receive a bill for service. The 2 problems we have with this is citizens are complaining about paying twice for this service (property tax to fund the volunteers and then being billed by the county). Plus, people are afraid to call 911 for fear of getting a bill they cannot afford. This will discourage people from calling 911 in an emergency.

In Maryland, it doesn't matter if you are a volunteer of paid, you must meet the same standard of care, you must receive the same training. As I said before, if I need help, I don't care who's name is on the side of the apparatus. I just want the help I need.

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Originally posted by capri man:
sam, i dont live in a metropolis like you do. i live in a rural area with the biggest town within 20 miles of me is 15,000 people. mine is the next bigest with 800+ people. the 15,000 town has a city fire dept that is not allowed by law or regs. (or insurance) or whatever to get out of their city limits. i am proud of our volunteers, cause thats all we got!!! and they do a hell of a job considering the junk they have to work with!! our local first responders save several lives per year, one of them could be mine or someone in my family. it takes an ambulance about 30 minutes, minimun to get to my town. those first responders could keep my wife alive till the ambulance gets here!!!!!!!1

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to touch base on mikes points here we to have a system like this. It is called QRS or quick response service. every squad in our county is paid but they do have vollies who are there for class and stuff. there is no double pay but you will always pay. for a ride. the qrs compiled of firefighter/emts run from fire houses with special rigs setup to counties protocol. most qrs roll when the second or third ambulance is dispatched as to increase the response time they get there perform patient care till the rig gets there then take up. the qrs is all volunteer even the equipment they use most of it is bought and paid for by the firehouse. some stuff like O2 and band aids are replaced by the squad which they charge the patient for if they ride. it is a good system. There is a fire hosue right down the road that has qrs logged up all the time and they run everything. they have had multiple saves while if the squad was jsut responding it would have an an experation. But then alot of fire depts are against it (mostly the older guys b/c they are die hard fire fighters)

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88 thunderbird TC 2.3L
Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

Each have a different need with cost in some cases driving it.Don't get me wrong there are some great,well trained and dedicated men and women who vol. in their communities each day,I thank them and respect them.

But for my area I find a "standing force" a better choice.Its easy,IMHO,to train,maintain equipment,provide health care and a good wage for living.

Our Rescue Squads are top notch,the best,we do have mixture of paid EMTs and VOl,who are well trained and may I say Damn good.

Sam