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SUBMARINER MUSTANGER
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posted 09-04-2005 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Buster
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posted 09-04-2005 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted 09-04-2005 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good god. What is this world coming to? I hope they are all fired. If I was in charge of that dept id resign instantlly. They lie on national TV "looking for looters" ha my a$$ that is total bull crap. No wonder they are having so many problems. Now when I see the interview of the mayors and police chiefs crying for help I will laugh b/c honestly what would they do with it they cant even control there assigned personnel anyway. That was sad and discusting. a total discrase to the US. And before osmeone brings racial prejudice into the picture look at this, We all know New orleans is predominatly black but every fricken volunteer I see down there is caucasin, so I dont want to hear the crap that the president doesnt like black people. also the first guy that was a cop "looting" was a white gentlemen. god this is disgraceful and makes me sick.

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66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
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68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 09-04-2005 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THEY DON'T EVEN CARE THEY ARE BEING TAPED! HOW ****ED UP IS THAT?

There was a big uproar a few years ago about corruption in the New Orleans PD and I thought it had been cleaned up. I guess old habits die hard.

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SUBMARINER MUSTANGER
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posted 09-04-2005 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trashline:
Good god. What is this world coming to? I hope they are all fired. If I was in charge of that dept id resign instantlly. They lie on national TV "looking for looters" ha my a$$ that is total bull crap. No wonder they are having so many problems. Now when I see the interview of the mayors and police chiefs crying for help I will laugh b/c honestly what would they do with it they cant even control there assigned personnel anyway. That was sad and discusting. a total discrase to the US. And before osmeone brings racial prejudice into the picture look at this, We all know New orleans is predominatly black but every fricken volunteer I see down there is caucasin, so I dont want to hear the crap that the president doesnt like black people. also the first guy that was a cop "looting" was a white gentlemen. god this is disgraceful and makes me sick.



I would say that about sums it up!

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Past Mustangs: '84 GT 5-speed; '91 GT auto; '70 M-code Mach 1, grabber yellow; '95 GT-S 5 speed, green, wrecked and totalled; 1995 GT-S 5 speed, bright yellow; '94 6-banger, wifes; '89 LX 5.0 vert, '90 LX 5.0 hatch, '69 M-code Mach 1, 4 speed, 1990 5.0 LX 'vert w/ AOD converted to T-5.

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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 09-04-2005 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker   Click Here to Email DidgeyTrucker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you want to walk into that WalMart two or three months from now and buy something that stayed there through the hurricane and the flooding?

If you've been living in water up to your waist for three days and haven't eaten for three days, with no sign whatsoever of rescue in the near future, how could you NOT help yourself to a pair of jeans and a box of crackers and a gallon of milk for your children?

The food is going to spoil anyway. Why not put it to good use? What will the stores and the insurance companies do with the merchandise that remains in the stores?

Not that I condone such actions but the events of the last week are so much more severe than anybody could have anticipated.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 09-04-2005 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Food, yes, if my family and I were starving, but my self respect is worth more than a pair of jeans.

Simple ethics tells you if it isn't yours, you don't take it.

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 09-04-2005 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe they were off-duty? LOL

Regarding the looting, though, I am responding to . . . .well, a couple of margaritas LOL (both Alex and Tony went out this morning, so I have been "celebrating" their demise here at the US Nationals).

You know, and I don't normally feel this way, but this is the truth: Any business owner in his right mind has full insurance. And the business is a total loss. So every item on the shelves is already written off. Most things in stores are all but abandoned, as those people who did leave will not be allowed back in for quite some time. Those who are left in N.O. have nothing. So what if they take a TV. They have no power to run it. So what if they take some clothes, they have none. So what. If it makes them feel better, for God's sake, let them.

Yes, I was raised much better than that. I was raised so that if they said "leave, a storm is coming," I would go, because I have a job and could afford to go. The majority of the people left there do have the means to get out from most reports. They are the inner-city poor, most without transportation and little or no money. So if they want a TV, let them have it.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 09-04-2005 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's one of the commandments, if that matters any.

Yes, any intelligent businessman has insurance. The insurance companies then takes possession of the merchandise they covered and sells it for salvage to mitigate their losses. The difference between loss and reclaimed value is then shouldered by us in the form of higher insurance premiums.

Theft is theft, there's no rationalizing it.

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trashline
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posted 09-04-2005 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DidgeyTrucker:
Would you want to walk into that WalMart two or three months from now and buy something that stayed there through the hurricane and the flooding?

If you've been living in water up to your waist for three days and haven't eaten for three days, with no sign whatsoever of rescue in the near future, how could you NOT help yourself to a pair of jeans and a box of crackers and a gallon of milk for your children?

The food is going to spoil anyway. Why not put it to good use? What will the stores and the insurance companies do with the merchandise that remains in the stores?

Not that I condone such actions but the events of the last week are so much more severe than anybody could have anticipated.

Tracy


those female cops had more then crackers and a pair of jeans. they were taking advantage of the situation. I can understand the needs of a person must be met but come on a shopping cart. also the lights were still on in the store and I didnt see any water inside. people just being disrespectful is all i saw.


those cops were on duty for one the weapon belongs to the and in the station when off duty. as with the radio. (up here anyway)

Beth what about everybody else? the people who dotn have a walmart it isnt fair it just isnt fair. not everybody are looters. like I said above some food is justable but at the end did you see that pick-up truck full of stuff with more next to it. now if that person was going to drive around and distribute the goods Id be for it but I bet you he was just loading up and half that crap will be on ebay.

Those police are the strength of the area, they are supposed to hold order not create it. If I saw a cop blow by me on the highway doing 100+ mph and I get down the road and he was eating burgers with his friends does it give me the right to speed? hell no. same thing. Yes I understand the situation but dont take advantage of it.

And like Steve said it just inst morally correct god didnt create us to steal and loot. he did tach us to survive but there are othe rmeans of oging about it.

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66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
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Buster
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posted 09-04-2005 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether or not a business owner has insurance is a moot point. Stealing is stealing, nevertheless, if I was forced to feed my family, that is my job as the head of the household, and only choice left was to steal, I would. Although, I would only take essential items like food, water and amo that we needed to live on. I don?t believe in taking nonessential items for any reason under any circumstances. That?s just stealing and what kind of message are they sending to the kids there, stealing is ok because things are bad there right now?

If I caught one of my son?s stealing like that, even under those circumstances, I would tan his hide.

Those female cops were not even smart enough to wait until they were off duty and then change out of their uniform before breaking the law and ripping off that Wal-Mart store. If I were the manager of that Wal-Mart I would press charges on those cops.

Beth, I?ve seen video of some of the people in N.O., it?s down right heartbreaking what they?ve been through and what they are going through now. One of the interviews I just couldn?t stand to watch a second time because it was that heartbreaking. The guy just couldn?t hold on to his wife during the storm and lost his grip on her in the flood. The last thing she said to him was take care of the kids and grandkids. He was still searching for her at the time. I had to stop watching the news for a while because I didn?t want to see more stories like that.

Even so, the people that are doing all of this stealing are not in the same peril this guy was. If I were a storeowner, could afford it or had good insurance, I would be giving food away. Even our local food chain, Albertson?s, was giving away food that would spoil to anyone that entered the store the day after each hurricane. But, I didn?t see or hear any cases in central Florida where looting was taking place.

I?m sure a few margaritas are making you feel more compassionate; it does me anyway, well that and something like compassionate without the ?com? and the ?ate?, lol. Well, sometimes ate

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 09-04-2005 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so the margaritas have worn off a bit. And I know that my outlook wouldn't be very popular. Sorry. But when you have nothing like many of those people, probably didn't have much to begin with anyway, weird things happen in your brain.

It's not right, but I tell you what, we can't fairly judge unless we walk in their shoes. So I won't judge. I will just pray for them all. They sure do need that.

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mustangs68
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posted 09-04-2005 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also not report on National News,I read an AP report on Drudge that 1/3 of the NOPD left,some turned in thier badge some never been heard from since before the Hurricane.

One Officer was on MSNBC calling them Cowards,this was also some "high Ranking" officers.

Don't know,CAT 5 head my way I would have a real hard time with duty and family and Family just may win.

Those two "meter maids" may find theselves in deep trouble once things are said and done.
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posted 09-04-2005 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
Also not report on National News,I read an AP report on Drudge that 1/3 of the NOPD left,some turned in thier badge some never been heard from since before the Hurricane.

One Officer was on MSNBC calling them Cowards,this was also some "high Ranking" officers.

Don't know,CAT 5 head my way I would have a real hard time with duty and family and Family just may win.

Those two "meter maids" may find theselves in deep trouble once things are said and done.
Sam


the CAT 5 didnt seem to bother all the people who were stuck inside there attics and HVAC ducts. and houses and trees. I can speak from experiance with this subject.

over this past spring the Delaware river flooded yardley for the second time in 6 months. being apart of the emergency services we partaked in notifying residents along the river that it was coming up quick. I was there for Id say a full day. WE again went back and adivsed people that they will be flooded out this time the water was just yards from there property. Then the canel and river met causing confusion with people trapped. If they woudlve listened the first time they wouldve not risked our life. But we do what we have todo. and i understand people cant just get up and leave everything they own. It was a bad sight.

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Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
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Poes Fords
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posted 09-05-2005 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poes Fords     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Food yes, and whatever it takes to keep your family alive. Everything else, is somebody elses property. Some of the things people were carrying out were not emergency type products. You have to have some order, that's what laws are for. Even in time of serious devestation, any type of officer of the law should be professional. That is what you are paid and trained to do. It's so frustrating to watch all of this unravel on the news. As if there isn't enough problems down there.

They have 14-15 year old kids down there acting more like adults than anybody else.

Why is this President Bush's fault? Why is he getting the blame? People irritate me so much who bash on him. I know everyone does not agree with what he has done, but look what he has been through. It's not his fault New Orleans wasn't prepared for this. It's not his fault New Orleans is 8-10 ft below sea level. I live in Oregon, and knew 2 days in advance that you should get the hell out of there. They should be mad at the mayor who packed them into the "SAFE SUPERDOME", with no supplies. I think that was a Plan B. They weren't prepared. Just my 2 cents. Jason

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sigtauenus
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posted 09-05-2005 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey folks, lets not forget that 4 months ago as hurricane season approached, our own Sam posted a hurricane survival guide. They were in flyers at Walmart. They were in flyers at Food Lion. The flyers told you to prepare for hurricanes by having stuff like a battery powered radio so you can hear the news, evacuation instructions, where to to for shelters, etc. It told you to have gallons of drinking water on hand, non perishable food, flashlights, batteries, etc, etc. All of these people weren't prepared an now its somehow the government and Walmart's responsibility to pay for it.

Go ahead and tell me the owner of that new F-150 didn't have the money to stock up on food and water before Katrina hit.

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cobravenom71
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posted 09-05-2005 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, telling by the way everyone was just caually strolling around 'shopping', it seems like they thought it was perfectly OK.
I mean, that one kid who was taking that little 'Power-Wheels' electric Jeep was probably going to use it to go out and rescue as many citizens as possible, right? I mean, it is a Jeep, and the 4-wheel drive should help it get through and around all those pesky dead bod...uh, 'floaters', you know?
And the cops were clearly just grabbing some shoes to go out and give to the poor survivors that needed them. How thoughful of them. Isn't that what we want in a public servant like a cop? Someone who puts the safety and welfare of the citizenry above thier own in a time of crisis? I feel much better knowing people of such high caliber are looking out for well-being.

Seeing this kind of crap makes me want to stop caring for them, but there are still 'good' people there that need help.

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mustangs68
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posted 09-05-2005 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMHO,
those to women were just low level Meter Maids with little skill in rescue are recovery.More than likely they were school crossing guards at best.

(Please don't get me started on Volunteer Fire and Rescue,Most are great,well trained, but many are just there to ride on the fire truck,I am a advocate of Professional Fire and Rescue Services.)

What I find alarming is that two N.O. Police Officers took their own life because of the conditions they worked in for the last 5 days.Several have just turned in their badges because of the mental pressure and conditions,these men and women have reached their breaking point.

The 1st responders all across the Gulf States will need care after this to avoid the pitfall of PTSS (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome)

A lot of these are Volunteers and not Professionals which makes the care even more important.

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posted 09-05-2005 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, but there was not one person in that video, in uniform or otherwise that gave me the impression that they were struggling to hold on. They were casually picking through their "wants". I didn't see any "needs" going out the door. This was theivery, plain and simple. Those officers should be punished accordingly. They took a job to uphold the law, not encourage its dismissal. This is really sad.

The true character of a person comes out in situations like this. Plenty of people spending lots of time bashing those in charge instead of being a pro-active participant in the improvement of life in those areas. Folks in N.O. need people to chip in and help lead, not bash the leaders for lack of planning. There was a mandatory evacuation in N.O. prior to the storm. Those that chose not to heed that warning, lose their right to whine thereafter. That having been said, I empathize with those that were unable to leave for various reasons, whether they be financial, medical, etc.

It's an unfortunate reality that bad character traits often come to the forefront in situations like this. It's a fortunate reality that there are also plenty of positive character traits that are coming into play also. Look at all the churches coming together to sponsor families. Look at all the donations coming in. Look at all of the volunteers coming forth to do what they can. The good will always outweigh the bad, it's just not always noticeable until later.

Bottom line...I agree with Steve, "Simple ethics tells you if it isn't yours, you don't take it".

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posted 09-05-2005 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
IMHO,
those two women were just low level Meter Maids with little skill in rescue or recovery.More than likely they were school crossing guards...

Sam


How many school crossing gaurds carry guns and other sidearms?
They are clearly cops, and they did admit they were there to look for 'looters'. Too bad they couldn't find any.

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posted 09-05-2005 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ours do
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posted 09-05-2005 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cobravenom71:
How many school crossing gaurds carry guns and other sidearms?
They are clearly cops, and they did admit they were there to look for 'looters'. Too bad they couldn't find any.


I know of plenty of "rent-a-cops" who carry sidearms. Maybe not exactly school crossing guards, but definitely not professional law enforcement. At least I hope so.

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posted 09-05-2005 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were not prepared plain and simple. those' meter miads' didnt seem to care about the numerous officers that left or killed themselves.

Sam dont take this the wrong way but I think your wrong, and I find your comment extremely offensive. but i respect your opinion.

"(Please don't get me started on Volunteer Fire and Rescue,Most are great,well trained, but many are just there to ride on the fire truck,I am a advocate of Professional Fire and Rescue Services.)"

I know you stated most are great but you are wrong. And actully I think it is backwards. the key words are volunteer and professional. We have aprox 40 sets of gear hanging up in my firehouse. about ten of those make 50% of calls or more each month. But each one of those 40 sets would risk more then there life for the average Joe. Without getting paid, sure there are insentives but the biggest is helping those in need. and saving property. Sure we get a rush from entering a burning building thats b/c we know our life could end at any minute while inside. Volunteers tend to risk more then professionals why b/c we care, if we didnt we wouldnt do it. Professionals are there to perform a job day in and day out they have limitations. I respect professionals a great deal My own uncle is a LT for philadelphia. but there trucks are beat there gear is old so they have limitations, I on the other hand have state of the art equipment at my finger tips new gear and constant training which helps whether I make the decission to stay in side longer.

I see where your coming from there are always bad eggs who willa ctully set fires and are "wackers". most fire depts have a extensive board checks with local state and federal authorites. To weed out the bad. And if they have prior experiance we get in touch with there old chief for additional background info. But I disagree on your views towards volunteer fire companies. If i didnt like helping people I wouldnt do it.

now again back on topic.
They were not prepared like they shouldve been the residents and authorites. It is a total shame that people have togo thru this but we cant control mother nature we can control where we set up camp and our protection. This is the problem with alot of people of today they think of today and tomorrow not two weeks from now or ten years from now. And it bit them from behind. Everyone knew this would and could happen but the simple fact is they just ignored it. I really feel sorry. And if I wasnt tied up with school i would be down there myself even if i had to drive my car.

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Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

79 f150 300 3 onda tree
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posted 09-05-2005 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the shocking thing that was mostly ignored by all for many years was just how perilous and precarious the whole situation there in New orleans and parts thereof were.
Of course, we all now know of the 'below sea level' situation, and we have all heard the "It's just like a bowl" explanations from the news casters, but if all the local as well as national government engineers and big-wigs knew how bad the potential was (and they clearly knew well in advance), then why was it ignored to the degree that it was?
Pathetic. That, in combination with the many who were just to damn ignorant to heed the imminent warnings of disiater a day or two before hand have cost the lives of probably many thousands of innocent people. And the life-long misery of many, many thousands more through the collateral damage.
My heart is breaking for those poor souls...

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posted 09-05-2005 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
trashline,
I understand,my experience comes from Waste Management,Haz-Mat.

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
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posted 09-05-2005 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
trashline,
I understand,my experience comes from Waste Management,Haz-Mat.

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam


Must be a VA thing. Up here fire fighters and EMTS dont get along. Well we do but we never switch sides. So you will never see me push band aids. My company does alot more then fight fires, our specialty peice is our heavy rescue. Vehicle extrication, industrial rescue. and fire rescue is whats covered in our area. In these situations we rule why b/c we have the equipment to remove paitents.

Fire fighter 1 which is the main training class has first aid and cpr, aed training so we do get trained for life treatining situations.

I truely actully am sorry that you have obviously had bad experainces with vollies. Actully we have three members who work at Waste. but I am sorry for your experiances, i would love to drag youup here for a week and see what a good company is like.

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posted 09-05-2005 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam


you had rather it burn down?????

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posted 09-05-2005 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ci8UUP   Click Here to Email Ci8UUP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opportunity does not change your morals, they are what they are. If there wasn't a flood they still would be theives.

Sharing my morals with you, if I needed food or water or clothes, I would take it, but I would also return to pay the store back, but that is me.

As for the police, it is not surprising, I have seen police officers lie on the witness stand just so they could convict an individual, which in my mind makes them no better than the criminal they are trying to convict.

In the end it is your morals that will prevail in times of crisis. Some of those who stole will return and pay back what they stole, they may have had a momentary lapse of judgment in a time of crisis... some will not.

Benjamin Franklin said it best: "to err is human, but contrition felt for the crime distinguishes the virtuous from the wicked."

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posted 09-05-2005 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
trashline,
I understand,my experience comes from Waste Management,Haz-Mat.

No disrespect intended,they have their place in the system and do a good job,but if my house was on fire I want a professional.

Now for Rescue Squads (EMT),their the best at 1st responders for life saving and helping those in medical need,we need more of them.

Don't confuse EMTs with volunteer fire fighter,this group I have problems with.

And yes,I have several fiends who are VOL fire fighters,and no I dont want them putting out my house
Sam


In many areas of the country, volunteers are your only choice. As a former volunteer in both an only EMS house and a Fire/EMS station, I can tell you that in the station I ran that had both Engines and Ambulances, we had several members who were firefighters and EMTs. Every system has it's problems, be it all volunteer, all career or a combination of the two. The main thing is that if my house is burning down, or I need medical help, I don't care if it says Volunteer or not on the side of the piece, I just care that there are people out there who are willing to risk their lives for mine.

To back up trashline, it's true that in any company you have several members, but there is a core group that keeps the place running. You always see the same names on the top runner lists. There are a variety of reasons for this. Sometimes it depends on work schedule or whatever. I ran when I could but my family always came first.

Yes, there are some members who only care about being on the piece for the excitement of the lights and sirens. But there are also always a core group who see beyond that. If someone is willing to risk their life for mine and ask nothing in return, they deserve at the very least my respect.

Sam, I have seen many of the people who have mentioned, but I have also seen many of the people who truely understand what they are volunteering for.

My wife never understood what it meant to be a volunteer, until one day we were driving home from a camping trip. A car ran off the road in front of us on a busy interstate. I immedately pulled over and rendered whatever aid I could. When all was settled and we were once again on our way, it was only then that she looked over at me and said "I understand now." After that, she had no problem with me going to the station when tones dropped on the scanner.

Sam, while I respect your opinion, I must disagree with it. When someone needs help, they may not have the choice of getting volunteer or career staffing.

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posted 09-05-2005 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Volunteers are to supplement the force,to assist when/as needed,under the guidance of the Trained Professional I have no problem.

Do I want my house to burn down,no I'm willing to paid with my tax dollars for a Professional Fire Dept,would you want a VOL Police Officer to respond if you needed a one

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posted 09-05-2005 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
If Volunteers are to supplement the force,to assist when/as needed,under the guidance of the Trained Professional I have no problem.

Do I want my house to burn down,no I'm willing to paid with my tax dollars for a Professional Fire Dept,would you want a VOL Police Officer to respond if you needed a one

Sam


Sam,

In some areas, there is just no money to pay for a career fire department. Here in Charles County, Maryland we are experiencing the growing pains of going from a volunteer force to paid personell. Under our system, there is a porton of property taxes that go to fund the volunteers, both equipment and training. With the growth our area has experienced over the last 20 years, we can no longer rely on volunteers totally for EMS (our fire service is still all volunteer). The county is hiring paramedics. The down side is that everytime you are carried to the hospital via a County owned rig, you will receive a bill for service. The 2 problems we have with this is citizens are complaining about paying twice for this service (property tax to fund the volunteers and then being billed by the county). Plus, people are afraid to call 911 for fear of getting a bill they cannot afford. This will discourage people from calling 911 in an emergency.

In Maryland, it doesn't matter if you are a volunteer of paid, you must meet the same standard of care, you must receive the same training. As I said before, if I need help, I don't care who's name is on the side of the apparatus. I just want the help I need.

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sam, i dont live in a metropolis like you do. i live in a rural area with the biggest town within 20 miles of me is 15,000 people. mine is the next bigest with 800+ people. the 15,000 town has a city fire dept that is not allowed by law or regs. (or insurance) or whatever to get out of their city limits. i am proud of our volunteers, cause thats all we got!!! and they do a hell of a job considering the junk they have to work with!! our local first responders save several lives per year, one of them could be mine or someone in my family. it takes an ambulance about 30 minutes, minimun to get to my town. those first responders could keep my wife alive till the ambulance gets here!!!!!!!1

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posted 09-06-2005 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trashline   Click Here to Email trashline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
sam, i dont live in a metropolis like you do. i live in a rural area with the biggest town within 20 miles of me is 15,000 people. mine is the next bigest with 800+ people. the 15,000 town has a city fire dept that is not allowed by law or regs. (or insurance) or whatever to get out of their city limits. i am proud of our volunteers, cause thats all we got!!! and they do a hell of a job considering the junk they have to work with!! our local first responders save several lives per year, one of them could be mine or someone in my family. it takes an ambulance about 30 minutes, minimun to get to my town. those first responders could keep my wife alive till the ambulance gets here!!!!!!!1


to touch base on mikes points here we to have a system like this. It is called QRS or quick response service. every squad in our county is paid but they do have vollies who are there for class and stuff. there is no double pay but you will always pay. for a ride. the qrs compiled of firefighter/emts run from fire houses with special rigs setup to counties protocol. most qrs roll when the second or third ambulance is dispatched as to increase the response time they get there perform patient care till the rig gets there then take up. the qrs is all volunteer even the equipment they use most of it is bought and paid for by the firehouse. some stuff like O2 and band aids are replaced by the squad which they charge the patient for if they ride. it is a good system. There is a fire hosue right down the road that has qrs logged up all the time and they run everything. they have had multiple saves while if the squad was jsut responding it would have an an experation. But then alot of fire depts are against it (mostly the older guys b/c they are die hard fire fighters)

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Gillis at 15 psi, walbro 255 lph fuel pump, Kirban at 39 psi, 3.73 8.8" rear, rebuilt head, brand new IHI

66 mustang 200ci 3 speed
Holley weber two barrel, msd 6A, 3.5 gears, 3.03 v8 three speed trans.

68 Fairlane 289 w/ auto
rusting away motor is going in the mustang

79 f150 300 3 onda tree
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posted 09-06-2005 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there-in lies the difference,urban vs rural areas.

Each have a different need with cost in some cases driving it.Don't get me wrong there are some great,well trained and dedicated men and women who vol. in their communities each day,I thank them and respect them.

But for my area I find a "standing force" a better choice.Its easy,IMHO,to train,maintain equipment,provide health care and a good wage for living.

Our Rescue Squads are top notch,the best,we do have mixture of paid EMTs and VOl,who are well trained and may I say Damn good.

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I heard a line today, I think Jamie Fox said it, he is one of many famous people helping out, that caused me to stop and think. It was something along the lines of {I'm paraphrasing} "99% of the people here are patient, helpful, trying as hard as they can to keep themselves together while suffering greatly. It's a shame that the 1% that are being jerks are getting so much attention."

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Sometimes the nicest, down to earth, homespun, Christian "good folks" do dispicable things. Not too long before I left Ill., an airliner left Midway, never got altitude and crashed in a cornfield, South of Clarendon Hills, Ill., my last residence in Ill. Coming home late, thought I heard something, but parked my car and went to bed, only to hear sirens all nite. Those good ol' homespun Christian folk, in too many numbers, were observed, running down the roads with suitcases, etc. and the lowest of low, jewelry. And one was a person I went to high school with! There is just no accounting for what people will sometimes do. "Gang mentality" often takes over and it becomes the thing to do because someone else "did it". Not defending or condeming(although I never felt right about what happened after that incident. Ironically, one of the passengers was a woman who was buried in a cemetary just blocks from the site. She had grown up in the area. And her husband, an MD, tended to a problem I had shortly before leaving. It was the most awkward dr. visit I ever made. Wonder if any of those "folks" were "born again"!!) Food, yes, clothing maybe, tv.s...shoot em!
We had that problem here after Andrew in 92. Terrible!.Went down to the warehouse where my "partner" and I had some cars. Waded in with "Smith" as a companion!! And rifle shots WERE heard! And then there was a person who has Mustangs, and is very conservative and forthright in his thoughts, apparently seeing nothing wrong with "helping things out" to increase the damage payout the insurance co. would have to pay, on his house! In the thousands!! And what of the gougers in the private and "political" sector who will make millions on the misery of those poor souls. Hmmmm?? Hate to come off moralising the issue but it's there!! Let's not isolate it to one group. They just happen to be the most vulnerable and convenient! PLease excuse the long post. It just came to mind when reading this thread.

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