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mustangs68
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posted 04-27-2005 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Who Will Jump To Toyota?
By- Rick Dupuis

It is no secret that Toyota is going to move into Busch in 2006 and Cup in 2007. Some people think that any time we get new manufacturers into the sport itís a good thing. Others think no foreign automaker should be allowed in the sport.

First, there has been a foreign-made car in NASCAR since 2001. Dodge is owned by Daimler-Chrysler is German-owned. The Dodge Intrepid was built in Canada. So having a foreign-made car is nothing new. Bill France once said ďThey make Hondas in Ohio, donít they?Ē Exactly. The Toyota Camry is more American than the Intrepid was. At least Americans build the Camry. The Intrepid was built by Canadians (Iím a Canadian, by the way).

I donít have any problem at all with Toyota, Honda or even Volkswagen coming into NASCAR. I think itís good for the sport as long as itís done right.

Jack Roush said that when Toyota goes racing, its like theyíre going to war. That is whatís really scary as far as Iím concerned. Stories abound that Toyota has a hundred million dollars to spend on their NASCAR effort. If thatís true, and since they spend about $98million on their Indy Racing League there is no reason to think it isnít, then they will almost certainly be looking to change the very face of the sport we love.

I have a friend who is a die-hard Ford and Roush fan. I have been bugging him for years, saying Jack Roush was going to Toyota. I think my friend is considering hiring a hit man to get me. Iím just joking about Roush/ToyotaÖ or am I?

As far as Toyota goes, there are some things we know and some things we can safely assume.....con't below


http://insidethepitbox.com/staffarticle.asp?id=050427&who=rd

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posted 04-28-2005 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Intersting Article. I knew Bill Davis Racing would go to Toyota, and I have a strong feeling that Penske would also. Hendrick might be a little more difficult. Hendrick owns a lot of dealerships with a lot of different brands, including GM. If it's possible that Toyota would hold Hendrick's dealerships hostage to get the 4 Hendrick cars in the Toyota camp, would GM try the same tactic to keep Hendrick GM? I doubt either would happen since Hendrick sells quite a few Toyotas and GM products. I doubt either manufacturer would be that stupid. What the article failed to look into was the other connections Roush has to Ford. Not only does Roush race Fords, but he has the Roush Mustang/Focus/etc. Ford could offer other incentives there to keep the Cat in the Hat in the Blue Oval Camp.

It will basically come down to the money. For enough of it, anything could happen. A few years ago, I would have never imagined Bill Elliott driving anything but a Ford. But then alaong comes Ray Evernham, Dodge and the chance to have a competitive team (and it got him back in number 9 as it should be).

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posted 04-28-2005 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My question is, does the Toyota truck use a Toyota engine or one of the "generic Nascar" American engines?

I do think Toyota going Nascar racing is a good thing, opens up some new thinking in the sport.

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posted 04-28-2005 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ccode67:
My question is, does the Toyota truck use a Toyota engine or one of the "generic Nascar" American engines?

I do think Toyota going Nascar racing is a good thing, opens up some new thinking in the sport.


Toyota developed their own generic NASCAR engine. An iron-block/alloy-headed, single-cam, pushrod engine of 355-358 C.I. It has a chebby bellhousing flange and the distributor is in front.

They have nothing like it in "stock" production.... (just like chebby, dirge, and; I hate to say it, Ford)

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posted 04-28-2005 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASCAR has been losing so much of it's heritage lately, losing the only real aspect of it that has kept me watching will only mean my Sundays will be free to do other things.

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posted 04-28-2005 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASCAR lost me years ago. I do still like the technical aspects of some of it, like how the manufacturers develop a "stock" racing engine. I thought it was interesting what Toyota did and why with that engine.
Makes you wonder what tricks Honda's gonna come up with...

I'd really like to see a STOCK CAR racing series like NASCAR was circa 1952. Only modifications are for safety and tune what's there! Buy the car, gut the interior, weld in roll bars, bolt in a fire extinguisher, and race that puppy.

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posted 04-28-2005 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thud:
I'd really like to see a STOCK CAR racing series like NASCAR was circa 1952. Only modifications are for safety and tune what's there! Buy the car, gut the interior, weld in roll bars, bolt in a fire extinguisher, and race that puppy.


I can see it now: The 24 Hours of the Daytona 500.

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posted 04-28-2005 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I can see it now: The 24 Hours of the Daytona 500.



A '50 Plymouth could run 500 miles... Are today's cars such crap that they can't do it?

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posted 04-28-2005 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They can do it, but who cares?

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posted 04-28-2005 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'd really like to see a STOCK CAR racing series like NASCAR was circa 1952. Only modifications are for safety and tune what's there! Buy the car, gut the interior, weld in roll bars, bolt in a fire extinguisher, and race that puppy.

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I agree with you completely. I'm tired of seeing an Intrepid/Monte Carlo/Charger/Grand Prix made by changing the decals on the body of what NASCAR calls a Taurus. The only problem is would you want to be going 200mph in a Taurus?

If Ford wants to put a Taurus on the track, fine, make sure the racing Taurus is an exact mirror of the Taurus I can go down to the dealer and buy. Same with the Charger, Same with the Monte Carlo. This way if the Dodge drivers, or the Chevy drivers or the Ford drivers don't like the way the car is, make them go back to their respective manufacturers to correct it, not have NASCAR change what the cars are.

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posted 04-28-2005 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
They can do it, but who cares?


.... and watching Tom Cruise wannabees riding around in large, rules-designed, clone (clown?) cars is interesting?

(an old joke: Why did NASCAR need Jeffy Gordon? Because Tom Cruise wasn't available to play "Cole Trickle" again.)

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posted 04-28-2005 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hwyman3:
If Ford wants to put a Taurus on the track, fine, make sure the racing Taurus is an exact mirror of the Taurus I can go down to the dealer and buy. Same with the Charger, Same with the Monte Carlo. This way if the Dodge drivers, or the Chevy drivers or the Ford drivers don't like the way the car is, make them go back to their respective manufacturers to correct it, not have NASCAR change what the cars are.


My thoughts exactly! (you said it better than I usually do.)

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posted 04-28-2005 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Thud:
.... and watching Tom Cruise wannabees riding around in large, rules-designed, clone (clown?) cars is interesting?

No, that's another reason to find something else to do on a Sunday afternoon.

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posted 04-28-2005 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, that's another reason to find something else to do on a Sunday afternoon.


That's what I did.

Sorry to rant on like I do, but stock car racing was the only sport that ever mattered to me. I used to love the brand against brand, driver against driver, "real men driving real cars" racing. Now it's just "pretty little things of indeterminate gender" driving homogenous vehicles in circles. It mattered to me that I could go to the local Ford store and buy a car "just like Fred Lorentzen drives!" NASCAR is equivalent to professional wrestling without pro wrestling's integrity.

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posted 04-28-2005 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like all sports, once the big money comes in, the soul goes out.

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posted 04-28-2005 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Like all sports, once the big money comes in, the soul goes out.


All too true.

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posted 04-28-2005 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Like all sports, once the big money comes in, the soul goes out.


COuld expand this to politics but that's another "tragedy".

Nascar has been using steroids on their "cars?" to a point like the post above about "identity crisis" Talk about the NBA!!
Remember well, the Patriarch of the Petty clan, Lee, driving the 50 Ply business cpe with it's "suitcase" 6 cyl tearing a "new one" for Hudson and my fav...Olds! You could identify with the cars that looked like cars.
Watching it gets boring.
A friend offered me a "job" gate waching at Homestead during races. A person could get to watch most of the races and to a race fan, it was a sought after gig. Declined.

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posted 04-28-2005 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Y'all talk about NASCAR like the only racing is NEXTEL CUP,it's not.Venture out to your local NASCAR Short track one Sat nite and watch some of the best racing,Brand vs Brand,best bang for the buck there is.

Many years ago we took a 72 Chevy M.C. ,Stripped out the insides,added a roll bar,fire ect and went racing for two years with the Son driving.
Ok we didn't get on the news,set a record but had a blast.

NASCAR isn't NEXTEL CUP but Late Model Sportmans,Legdend Car,Grand Stock and more.

Locally we have a division called "U-Cars" which is basic strip down and saftey equiment..a blast to watch

Here's two Race team I have been helping with websites.

http://www.geocities.com/brianmayracing/index.html
This one is under development and not complete

www.jrnracing.com
Member of Mustang Club of Tidewater sons racing Go-karts and U-Car.

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