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IIGood
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posted 04-11-2005 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, this is gonna sound a bit elementary...but shoot me later.

I'm about to do an oil change on my GT for the first time myself (I've taken it to the dealer before; paid the $26.95, etc). It takes 6 quarts. Oil filter is mounted horizontally, of course.

Should I try to put some oil in the filter before mounting it up? Or just leave the filter empty?

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johnmustang
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posted 04-11-2005 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You do not have to put any oil in the filter, just make sure that you put a little bit of oil on the seal before you put it on.

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posted 04-11-2005 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You sure it takes 6? I'd double check that...my wife's Expedition takes 6, but the stangs only take 5 that I know of. Yours is newer of course, so you could be right (read probably right).

Just make sure you get the right weight, and as John says just put a dab on the rubber gasket on the bottom of the filter before you screw it on. Rub it around the whole gasket with your finger and you'll be good. The idea is that if it's oiled, it won't dry out and seize to the block....unless it's a Fram, but that's a whole 'nother story!

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IIGood
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posted 04-11-2005 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. Heard before somewhere that it's a "good idea" to pour some oil into the filter so the engine won't have a "dry start."

Dave, the 4.6 does take 6. I checked the owner's manual on that...the 3.8 takes 5. I was used to the 5 too.

I've got the 5W20, Castrol...a Motorcraft filter...will never use Fram again...and I always makes sure to apply some oil to the filter's gasket. And to check the block anyway...learned that the hard way once!!! The only thing that was keeping me from doing my own oil changes on the GT was that I didn't know where the friggin' drain plug was. Now that I know that, I doubt the dealership will ever be seeing me for the little things again.

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hwyman3
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posted 04-12-2005 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've used 5 quarts in mine, Frank, and that usually fills mine up. Also, I pour about half a quart in the filter before I install it. I've done every oil change on my GT since it was new. 6 Sounds kinda high.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-12-2005 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always put in as much as the filter will hold, keeping in mind it's installed position.

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posted 04-12-2005 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, always make sure the old o-ring came off with the old filter. Sometimes they stick to the block, and if unnoticed will create a big mess on start up.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 04-12-2005 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or when your down the road a bit!

Back in high school we change the oil in the shop teachers truck and forgot the gasket. It blew out when he was about 20 miles from the school.

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posted 04-12-2005 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cracing   Click Here to Email cracing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pour only enough in filter to wet the element & lube gasket. Remember that the oil poured into filter is UNFILTERED when it goes through your engine!

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SUBMARINER MUSTANGER
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posted 04-13-2005 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The '96 and later 4.6's take 6 qts...Mustangs, T-birds, Cougars, Crown Vics, Grands, Town Cars. Even the '96-present 24v Taurus'/Sables take 6 qts. The 5.4 trucks/Expeditions/Navigators etc take 7 qts, and get this, the newer Lincoln LS's '04-present take 7.5 qts. Ford likes to sell oil!

Oh, getting back to the original question Frank, whatever makes you comfortable. If filling the oil filter then spilling half of it back out when putting the filter back on makes you comfortable, then that's what you should do . I throw a little oil in my filter on the Mach 1, and I've done it enough to where I'm pretty good about not spilling a drop. I'm sure you've probably figured out by now that that hasn't been getting done at your oil change places....that is unless you request it.
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69 Sportsroof
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posted 04-13-2005 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4.6 uses 6 quarts!

5.0 uses 5 quarts!

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posted 04-13-2005 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cracing:
I pour only enough in filter to wet the element & lube gasket. Remember that the oil poured into filter is UNFILTERED when it goes through your engine!

It also as pure as that oil will ever be from that point on.

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posted 04-13-2005 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cracing:
I pour only enough in filter to wet the element & lube gasket. Remember that the oil poured into filter is UNFILTERED when it goes through your engine!

HUH?? What's so bad about fresh oil right out of the bottle even though it's "unfiltered"? That's good stuff, Maynard!

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Past Mustangs: '84 GT 5-speed; '91 GT auto; '70 M-code Mach 1, grabber yellow; '95 GT-S 5 speed, green, wrecked and totalled; 1995 GT-S 5 speed, bright yellow; '94 6-banger, wifes; '89 LX 5.0 vert, '90 LX 5.0 hatch, '69 M-code Mach 1, 4 speed, 1990 5.0 LX 'vert w/ AOD converted to T-5.

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IIGood
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posted 04-13-2005 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the tip...I figured the way it's mounted, it'd be darn near impossible to put any oil in the filter without it all spilling out. If the dealership hasn't been doing it, guess it can't be all bad.

And yeah, I'm gonna be checking for that gasket...always did with the Ghia, especially after I didn't realize I left one on the block one time, and ended up emptying the oil all over the neighborhood streets!!

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posted 04-13-2005 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wrksnfx   Click Here to Email wrksnfx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cracing:
I pour only enough in filter to wet the element & lube gasket. Remember that the oil poured into filter is UNFILTERED when it goes through your engine!

Yes thats true but if you pour the oil into the holes that are outside the the threaded center hole then the oil will be filtered I learned this little trick while working on cement mixers as a diesel mechanics assistant.

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posted 04-13-2005 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cracing   Click Here to Email cracing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was at the reccomendation of Caterpillar on oil and fuel filters due to the fact that the injector system works off 2-3000# oil pressure as well as fuel pressure. So does Navistar, the builders of the 7.3 DI Ford.

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IIGood
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posted 04-17-2005 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If any are interested...

Did the change today, and all went well. Only hang-ups I had were initially getting the car in the air (car sits too low now to get the jack underneath...drove the car up on some 2x4s), and looking for my friggin' tools. I *hate* when my brother takes off with the ratchets I need!

Oil gushed out of the filter when I took that off, so my arm, the steering rack, and the crossmember got a nice oil bath. Getting that filter off was easier than I was thinking...there was more room around it than I could see from it being on the ground.

6 quarts was the magic number. And what's the deal with the twisty dipsticks? What a pain those are to get back in the dipstick tube. Jeez.

Other than that, all went well. Didn't put any oil into the filter to "pre-lube" it, so when I started the car I got that whooshing sound for a second...a bit unsettling, but normal I guess. Happened all the time when I changed the oil in my '77.

I guess since I can do the GTs, I oughta do the '99 V6 oil now too..that's long overdue. Oughta pick up another set of jackstands too so I could do tire rotations.

Anyone else in need of some routine maintenance?

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posted 04-18-2005 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 74merc   Click Here to Email 74merc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IIGood:
Anyone else in need of some routine maintenance?


sure, wanna just pop my new cowl in place? lol

Sounds like some of the cars I've worked on. Oil drain hits the crossmember and goes two difference directions... lovely...

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posted 04-18-2005 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! 18 overall posts for a "how to do an oil change" topic....now THAT'S dedication!!

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Past Mustangs: '84 GT 5-speed; '91 GT auto; '70 M-code Mach 1, grabber yellow; '95 GT-S 5 speed, green, wrecked and totalled; 1995 GT-S 5 speed, bright yellow; '94 6-banger, wifes; '89 LX 5.0 vert, '90 LX 5.0 hatch, '69 M-code Mach 1, 4 speed, 1990 5.0 LX 'vert w/ AOD converted to T-5.

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IIGood
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posted 04-18-2005 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SUBMARINER MUSTANGER:
WOW! 18 overall posts for a "how to do an oil change" topic....now THAT'S dedication!!

Dedication? Or outright stupidity on my part?

Though, it's not like I've never done an oil change before...did 'em all the time with my Ghia. Just got out of the habit I guess with these "new-fangled" cars. LOL.

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posted 04-18-2005 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3   Click Here to Email hwyman3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IIGood:
Dedication? Or outright stupidity on my part?

Though, it's not like I've never done an oil change before...did 'em all the time with my Ghia. Just got out of the habit I guess with these "new-fangled" cars. LOL.


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