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johnmustang
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posted 03-12-2005 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How much can it realistically get, it is a very nice car but it seems to me that the price is getting pretty high for a clone. Maybe I am way off base on this one and it is worth more than has already been bid, what do you all think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6236&item=4532636749&rd=1

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mustangs68
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posted 03-12-2005 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can put a ribbon on a Sows tail but you still have a Sow

Sorry but I think anyone who spends big buck on a "copy" has more money than brains.

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Mooney
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posted 03-12-2005 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooney   Click Here to Email Mooney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can understand spending alot on a clone; if its such a rare car that otherwise you'll never get it. But you have to admit, that its a well done creation.. though the curved monte carlo bar.. is that correct?

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Dave Gibson
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posted 03-13-2005 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John,
Check out classiccartraderonline and see what the clones are running there for a comparison. Most early Shelby Clones are starting in the $30K range and go on up from there. Personally I would rather buy a nice HiPo Stang instead. At least it's not a copy.

Dave & Terri

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-13-2005 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Gibson:
John, Personally I would rather buy a nice HiPo Stang instead. At least it's not a copy.

Dave & Terri


Looked at a K 64.5 cvt at an AACA show Sat.in Ft. Lauderdale. Asking price was 38,500. At first glance it looked very nice. But, like many cars at shows, the closer one looked the more one saw....like undated 1/4's, one fender, a month after built, etc. Some (in their mind!) garus found some other things that may OR may NOT been correct. Bottom was thinly undercoated. Would have been correct if it had gone on some other parts. Date on intake was correct. It was still a very nice car. Don't think I'd pay as much for a clone Shelby cv as I would for the real thing. I should talk!! Have one date correct piece on the whole ******* car! LOL! I like clones and considered one for my "hand me down" special. They bring more money for a true GT cv? Possibly, but not by me.

No question about it, prices are way up, and wonder how many come back to reality when a fist full of hundreds is waved in the seller's face! Saw a 66 cv for 27,500. Bottom looked great. Good pans, thinly undercoated, with tec screws showing!! Pony int. with 65 standard white door panels etc. etc.

My 66, as it sits now, going in for paint this week, has all metal on it and in very good shape. Repo 1/4's, new Ford hood, good doors/with glass, etc., correctly done cowl, rebuilt susp and PSteering, etc. It is a bare roller with no engine or trans, nada!. Was offered 10,000 as it sat or more if I included some parts!! Go figure!

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-13-2005 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Gibson:
John,
Check out classiccartraderonline and see what the clones are running there for a comparison. Most early Shelby Clones are starting in the $30K range and go on up from there. Personally I would rather buy a nice HiPo Stang instead. At least it's not a copy.

Dave & Terri


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Fastback68
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posted 03-13-2005 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 2 cents: if the sow with a ribbon on its tail was exactly the same as the sow which then had a ribbon attached to its tail, either way you have a sow --- with a ribbon attached.
In the real world of investors, however, I know most folks agree with Sam. A sow which was born without a ribbon and then had it stuck on is not worth half as much as one that was born with it already attached.
I think it's ALL WRONG, but there you go.
Someone offered me a beautiful straight six '67 Stang for a song today, and I have everything needed to do the V8 conversion. I said I was sorry but I couldn't take the car because I didn't need the misery of bargain hunters insulting it because they knew it was an original straight 6

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mustangs68
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posted 03-13-2005 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me its like a '68 California Special with a Code "F" for the Assembly Plant.

Just another "Fake" under the disguise of a "Clone".

But I respect the fellow for saying its a Fake at least his up-front,its the person that buys it for big bucks getting taken for a ride.
Sam

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66HIPO&more
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posted 03-13-2005 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66HIPO&more     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Mustang is pig. Unfair analogy.
If a guy has $30-50K to spend on a nice car but doesn't have 100K for a REAL Shelby, why not? It's his money, it's his joy. Makes much more sense that throwing same amount on a new car, for a toy which will depreciate. Example: We like our $26K 2001 Bullitt, but many days wish we'd put that money into one of our classic stangs. They'd be worth at least that much, but the Bullitt has lost half it's value.

Mike always wanted a KR convertible. We really believed some day he'd have it. But didn't foresee the prices going ballistic as they presently are. And they will probably get worse at least for a while when Carroll goes to the great beyond.

CRISIS, our clone, fell in our lap. We bought for 7K and put another 10K, plus a LOT of labor and trading, into it. That labor was for love, but if someone paid for it, it wouldn't be cheap as in many of the clones.
Wish it were real, but Mike has his craving satisfied. Probably more than if real, because we can drive it anywhere, get all the looks, stares and nice comments without being afraid.
As I posted about a KR clone on ebay last week, it is amazing what prices clones are getting. It finished at $50K. But CRISIS will stay in our stable because it is not replaceable for what it is and what it cost us.
There might be a few dorks trying to pass off the fakes as real, but for the most part I think people are making clones because they love the looks and can't afford the true thing.
What's that saying about "imitation being the most sincere form of flattery." I like that better than this pig business.
$0.02

J.

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RADRIDE
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posted 03-14-2005 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RADRIDE   Click Here to Email RADRIDE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont see anything wrong with selling or buying a clone as many have said a real Hertz will set you back quite a bit more than that.
I will say it is a nice car, but with an 8in. rear & that chrome oil pan someone missed the boat on these items.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 03-14-2005 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
J,
I don't have a problem with clones as long as the seller states it's a clone. I can also understand not being able to afford the real thing. I'm in that boat BIG TIME. That is why I buy the 1:64th to 1:12th scale. I can afford those. I just don't like the folks that try to pass off a clone as the real deal. That really makes me mad.
Had a fellow at a Pensacola show try to pass a '66 "C" code vert off as a true "GT". He only wanted $22K for it. The sad part was that several folks wanted to buy it and didn't know any better.

Dave & Terri

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68F100
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posted 03-14-2005 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Gibson:

Had a fellow at a Pensacola show try to pass a '66 "C" code vert off as a true "GT". He only wanted $22K for it. The sad part was that several folks wanted to buy it and didn't know any better.

Dave & Terri



What do you do in that situation? Call their BS, or let an uneducated buyer buy it? I'm not sure. I would think that if a buyer knew what they wanted, they would be able to spot a fake if they did their homework. On the other hand, there are a lot of people with more dollars than sense.

But then you have the situation where a person doesn't really care what the car USED to be(me most of the time). If I found a car that had everything I wanted and was in my budget, I probably wouldn't care what the VIN says it came with.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 03-14-2005 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What color ribbon is on the sow and does the material have the correct weave on it?

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68 S-code GT
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posted 03-14-2005 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mooney:
though the curved monte carlo bar.. is that correct?

I don?t think they came with the oval air cleaner did they?

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mustangs68
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posted 03-14-2005 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just tired of all the "catch words" last few years it was "Restro Mod" now it's "Clone".Why can't we call them what they are modified and replicas.

Whats happen in the last few year,you rarely see anything original,its a copy of this or that.What I mean by original isn't Factory,but something the Owner has done that a fresh new idea.

I have several ideas for my 68 that will step outside of the main stream,they are not radical but very interesting to enhance certian areas of the car.

And that would be a yellow satin ribbon
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66HIPO&more
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posted 03-14-2005 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66HIPO&more     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maS, you're already outdated. "CLONE" is out, "RECREATION" is in.
I like that, built for recreation!
People with "fresh" ideas are usually beat up on the forums too. Criticism abounds no matter what you do.
Original is boring (people are tired of MCA concours), copy something you're a rip-off (ie the discussion here), do something new and you're desecrating history (posts re Foose and Coddington).
???
You just gotta do what you like and forget what people think. Someone will always insult and nitpick. It's out of jealousy and makes them feel better for their lonely little world.

BTW, I like how your "modified" name. But you can never be cloned, always original.

That was at least $0.04!

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Fastymz
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posted 03-14-2005 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 66HIPO&more:

Original is boring (people are tired of MCA concours), copy something you're a rip-off (ie the discussion here), do something new and you're desecrating history


J.


I agree 100%, if it feels good do it.

I don't mind clones,stockers. I also like to see diffenent idea's too. I like the cars with all those little personal touches. Like a big a$$ boss scoop.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 03-14-2005 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68F100:

What do you do in that situation? Call their BS, or let an uneducated buyer buy it?

Since I was running the Pony Corral that weekend, I let the intrested party know what was up and explained how to read the vin and data plate. I was thanked by serveral folks. I just couldn't stand by and let this shyster get away with it.

Sam & Joyce, great points that you two have brought up. Terri's Stang (Envy) will pretty much stay close to original since it already is. Ivy, since she has already been modified, will be our toy to try new and different ideas on. It's a win/win situation. Now all I need is the money to do both stangs. Oh well. One at a time.

Dave & Terri

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67 Fastback
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posted 03-14-2005 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67 Fastback   Click Here to Email 67 Fastback     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, step away for a few years and see a lot of recognized names! Funny this topic has been brought up, I have received 5 or so offers a week in last nonths on my resto/fake/who cares I like it/recreation. Funny thing they are offering 2x what (in my opinion) it is worth. And agrees, if it is upfront and both buyer and seller are happy and nothing is misrepresented, no worries.

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mustangs68
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posted 03-14-2005 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know mines not the popular position,but personally I just don't like that car (HERTZ CLONE) for what it is.

J..I would like to see some fresh new ideas,some thought put into the project,not just stuff ordered out the Catalog and bolted on.

I am old,maybe it time to walk away from the hobby because I find it of no interest anymore.Out of 100 Mustangs I may find 3 with something of interest done,the other 97 even thought different years usually all have the same thing done to them.

Maybe I need to by a '67 Rambler

Mas

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posted 03-14-2005 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going though the same thing, maybe, as you Sam. I've only been messing with Stangs for six years, but now I have a shop with about 8 of them in. And d'you know what gets my heart pumping every time I go to work? It's the 72 Gran Torino Sports that I'm gonna turn into a racer

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66HIPO&more
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posted 03-15-2005 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66HIPO&more     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
I am old,maybe it time to walk ... because I find it of no interest anymore.
Mas

How long's it been since you've really ridden that gray ol' lady? If you could take her out and ride her hard you just might fall in love again...
Best advice I heard on this forum was something like "to keep the romance alive, you gotta keep pumping like on the honeymoon!" Works for all areas of life!

Now dust that pony off and go for a ride! DAMMIT!
J. (the Mustang whore! Can't love just one! Don't intend to quit ridin')

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posted 03-15-2005 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Best advice I heard on this forum was something like "to keep the romance alive, you gotta keep pumping like on the honeymoon!" Works for all areas of life!

Good Lord!!! Name me ONE other area of life where that works

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-15-2005 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see the harm in clones as long as they aren't misrepresented and used to take advantage of someone. The only ones that really bug me are when they create a model that never existed, like a Mach 1/Boss convertible, or stick spoilers on a coupe or convertible. Then again, I planning to add Ram Air to my Sprint so who am I to talk?

Sam, maybe you're getting bored because it's a '68? I've been lusting after the '70 since September of 1969 and it hasn't let up yet...

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mustangs68
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posted 03-15-2005 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God I haven't "lusted" in Years..LOL


Maybe in a few years I pull her out again,
I am driving the Convertible today.
I have to fall out,lay on the ground,grab a tire and pull myself up to the fender to get out

Sam

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posted 03-15-2005 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
I have to fall out,lay on the ground,grab a tire and pull myself up to the fender to get out

I can relate.

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posted 03-15-2005 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think clones are entirely appropriate and if done well worth the price. Just this month in Mustang Monthly Ron Bramlett (sp? Mustangs Plus guy) wrote in his two-page section he's doing now about how he almost lost his all original K-code on the highway a few years back and almost never drives it anymore because its all original.

Same could be said for genuine Shelby's or anything else. Why risk a real Shelby or anything else valuable like that when you can put together a clone, get the same looks and performance, and have a heck of a lot of fun with it and not have to worry about potentially losing a very expensive limited edition car? Not to mention its more affordable for the common guy to have.

Come to think of it, I think ol' Shel should stop this nonsense of $150,000 continuation cars and put together something for under 30 grand and get back to the real roots of the mustang (Shelby too)...a performance car for the common person.

My 2 cents.

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posted 03-16-2005 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Said!

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68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
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sigtauenus - I'll see your .02, and raise you .02 - VERY well said.

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mustangs68
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posted 03-16-2005 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it took some poking but this was a good thread,very good responses too..
Sorry Gang but the Boards been boring lately and need some real inter-action.

Great replies and I agree with most of them Sam hit it on the head.I owe you a tall cool Southern Ice Tea at the Crusie in Sam

As for me..Hell I dont care if you paint your Mustang Poke-a-Dots and drive it backwards its yours do what you want as long as your happy,just dont tell me its orginal and came from the Factory that way..then again if its a 65-66 it just may have came that way

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