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Topic: Yasser Arafat died.
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wrksnfx
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Warren,MI,Macomb
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-11-2004 12:11 AM
   
Yasser Arafat dead at 75
Thu 11 November, 2004 04:26 http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=619013§ion=news I can't say that I will miss him (sniffle) I can't see through the tears to type this. 
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73trials
Gearhead Posts: 1038
From: Arabi, La. M&M member # 1752
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 11-11-2004 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by wrksnfx:
Yasser Arafat dead
Good.
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Toronado3800
Gearhead Posts: 579
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 11-11-2004 02:09 AM
My take now is he was a revolutionary who grew old and moderated his views a very little bit.
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
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posted 11-11-2004 02:37 AM
He was a very important man. His name will always be remembered, along with some of the founders of the state of Israel, by people when they try to draw a line between "freedom fighter" and "terrorist".
There was blood on his hands, no doubt about that, but there's no way history will place him in the same camp as Osama bin Laden. And he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing.
As "terrorists" go, he was one of the "best"!?!?!?
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senzstang
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From: perry, oh, usa
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-11-2004 08:17 AM
A revolutionary who orchestrated the deaths of innocent Israeli olympic atheletes just to name a few. Don't let time and revisionist history erase the fact that he was a cold hearted, hatefull killer! There is no cause that warrants the killing of innocent people. Will we give Osama a Nobel Peace Prize in 30 years if he "mellows" with age?
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 2663
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
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posted 11-11-2004 12:46 PM
I know exactly what you're saying, but the cause had merit even if the method was evil. Hitler's cause had no merit. What the heck is Osama bin Laden's cause?????
I am quite sure history will recognise the different shades. When Menachem Begin died, he was not treated - universally anyway - as a terrorist. But he was no different from Arafat. And the simple fact that Arafat got a Peace Prize proves society is capable of looking beyond some atrocities.
Hitler will NEVER be honored by historians, and I don't believe Bin Laden will either - except of course by Nazis and Islamic extremists.
There is a difference between a cold-blooded killer with a worthy cause and a cold-blooded killer who's just downright evil.
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 121
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 11-11-2004 01:13 PM
theres no excuse for killing innocents. arafat was a terrorist, a terror enabler, and a block to peace. the fact that he got a nobel prize should tell you more about the people giving the nobel prize than about arafat. just like the oil for food program should tell you more about the U.N., kofi annon, france, and germany. these people can pat each other on the back until hell freezes over. in case you have forgotten, clinton had the whole buisness drawn up, israel was going to give the palestinians the gaza strip and west bank, everyone agreed. arafat refused. look at a map sometime. look at the sliver of land jews have on the east bank of the mediteranean. these are the people who have been persecuted throughout history. its funny how the arabic nations dont have room for these people. its funny how in their mind theres no place for jews or israel, and no room for palestinians either. without a doubt, israel at any time could push these nations into the sea without any help from us. arafat got the peace prize, well hells bells, isnt that somethin'. didnt jimmy carter get one of those? im impressed. arafat is burning in hell with hitler, so you are right.....there is no difference.------------------
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senzstang
Gearhead Posts: 221
From: perry, oh, usa
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-11-2004 02:23 PM
I am a very mellow person and few things get me really fired up. This is one of them  He was a terrorist plain and simple. It is making me sick to watch the press cannonize him as a hero "with a cause". There is no argument that justifies his actions. NONE!
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-11-2004 02:40 PM
I think there will be a better chance for peace in the Middle East now.It's a sad testimony to a person's life if the world is a better place without them, I don't care what prize was given to him. ------------------
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senzstang
Gearhead Posts: 221
From: perry, oh, usa
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-11-2004 02:55 PM
This article states the truth much more eloquently than I can:http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/11/arafat_the_monster/
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cynot65
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From: New York
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 11-11-2004 04:30 PM
Good F**king Riddance!!!!!
The only good terrorist is a dead f**king terrorist.
A chance for peace in the Middle East? I can only hope so. I have a feeling that you're going to have a run on how many people think they can be the "Next" Arafat.
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johnmustang
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From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 11-11-2004 05:35 PM
You can cut the head off of a snake and the snake will die. Arafat was the head of the Palestinian snake but it will not die, this "snake" has many heads and the next one will show itself very soon. He had many loyal followers and many loyal zealots, this is far from over, he is now a martyr. I am just glad that there are people in this world that see him for what he truly was, a racist, terrorist, manipulator and consummate con-man. He has alot of people believing he was a good man, would you have wanted him as your neighbor? I truly hope peace will start to find it`s way into the middle east, but my feelings are that it will not, at least not in my lifetime.------------------
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wrksnfx
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Warren,MI,Macomb
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-11-2004 08:23 PM
I bet everybody here can't wait for me to post that Osama Bin smoking grass has been captured or is dead (wishful thinking outloud).
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mustangs68
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From: Buckroe Beach Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-11-2004 09:49 PM
What has always stood out in my mind about Yasser Arafat was the killing of Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro.
You dont kill an old man in a wheelchair and tell me it's for freedom,it's cold blooded murder.
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-11-2004 11:07 PM
Yep ... you're all correct. I'm not going to argue these points.
If anything, I think the judgement of folks like me is tinted - not clouded - by a genuine sympathy for the Palestinian cause. At the time the PLO were at their murderous worst, they were absolutely desperate.
But murder is murder. There's no getting away from the fact.
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adragon8u
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From: Oceano, Ca.
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 11-11-2004 11:31 PM
This says something but I'm not sure what.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1104/186905.html------------------
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jsracingbbf
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From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-11-2004 11:32 PM
One more terrorist dead. the Palestian cause be damned. JS
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Toronado3800
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From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 11-12-2004 02:59 AM
Gotta be more careful with my words. When I called Arafat a revolutionary I was not sactioning his cause or methods. I was just saying he was revolting.Trying to solve the whole Isreal/Palestine(Arab) thing gives me a headache. Sometimes I think it would have been best if the holy city was divided in pancake slices between Judism, Christianity, and Islam with the Chinese UN contingent forced to guard it.
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Dave Witthoeft
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From: IL.
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-12-2004 06:42 AM
What if the decendants of American indians came back and kicked us out? How would we feel??
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Dave Witthoeft
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posted 11-12-2004 07:09 AM
Does he get a decent burial, or will they just strap a bomb to him?
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jsracingbbf
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From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-12-2004 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Toronado3800:
Gotta be more careful with my words. When I called Arafat a revolutionary I was not sactioning his cause or methods. I was just saying he was revolting.Trying to solve the whole Isreal/Palestine(Arab) thing gives me a headache. Sometimes I think it would have been best if the holy city was divided in pancake slices between Judism, Christianity, and Islam with the Chinese UN contingent forced to guard it.
It may seem barbaric to some of thew liberal thinkers but whoever can conquer, keep the peace and hold the territory should have the holy city. Period. That's why the U.S. now has Texas, Lousiana ( Purchase ), Alaska and we were able to take the land from the Indians. And yes we basically "took" Haiwai from the natives there too.
Humans have always expanded, taken other lands by purchase or force if neccessary. It's the age old adage of the strongest shall survive. You see we're a part of the equation too. I think sometimes man places himself above mother nature aspiring to be " better" or have a higher morality. When it all boils down to basic survival, man is no different than any other animal.
He, we as a society will do what is necessary to survive. We pushed the american Indians off their land, was it morally right? No. Was it necessary? depends on who's view you take. Taking occupied land from another ethnic, or religious group is nothing new. Especially, if they think they own it in the first place.
If it weren't for the rest of the arab nations, Isreal would have done away with the Palestinines years ago. If more of the Western world were involved, Isreal would destroy Palestine. If we were less involved, the Arab nations ( collectively ) would take Isreal. They'd have a helluva fight doing it though. Most Isreali's have 10 times the internal fortitude for warfare as the ordinary Arab. Take a look at their respected army's. Isreali fighter pilots are known to be among the best in the world. The only Arabs with any gall are terrorists. Make no mistake, Isreal can pretty much defend itself.
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Fastback68
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posted 11-12-2004 12:01 PM
I'm gobsmacked JS, that's all I can say. I have renewed pride in being a liberal 
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 121
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 11-12-2004 10:47 PM
here's a fact....the other arab nations who refuse to accomodate palestinians, wage war against israel through the palestinians. they are anti semitic lap dogs for the arabs. they dont want peace. they are the curse of God to the jews for not wiping them out like the israelites were commanded way back in the old testament. the new testament says in the last days men will cry "peace, peace!" but there will be no peace. nothing will ever change in that situation so i dont waste my hope being optomistic. its not the same situation as with the native americans so i wont be reeled in the boat on that one either. thats an observation usually made by not giving much thought to the facts. even if you disagree with the way this country was made, you cant argue that indians are in any way not given the same freedom and opportunity to share in this great land and be among the richest and most free of men. i also offer you the chance to think about what this country would be if left untamed. another 3rd world hole on a desolate planet. freedom wouldnt exist as we know it. dont rush to beat up on the white man for what he did to the poor natives. ------------------
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