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FORD429CJMAN
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posted 06-11-2004 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FORD429CJMAN   Click Here to Email FORD429CJMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have got a 429 cj out of a 70 model t-bird and i was wanting to know all i could about this engine because the ford place from where i am from told me it could be either a cj or a scj but it has dove-c on the heads and the intake and i havent been able to find out much about this engine but a bounch of confusion because every old ford book i find says one thing then one says another so i am just wanting to know like what compression it has the cc of the heads if it has a 4 bolt main if they had steel cranks,forged pistons the horsepower and torque so i can see what i really have because the car only has 27,000 miles on it and it had a blown head gasket and the guy that owns the t-bird had me put a 460 in it and i got the 429 that was in the bird and the tranny that went with that engine so i would just like to see what i got for sure so i know where to start on buying gaskets and after market headers and intake stuff like that thnks alot.

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KULTULZ
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posted 06-12-2004 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you have is a 429 THUNDER JET. The CJ and SCJ were only installed in the TORINO/MUSTANG (and MERC counterparts) chassis.

The DOVE-C heads are very desirable for mild street use.

-The 385 Engine Family-

-The 429CJ/SCJ In Depth-

-An Addendum-

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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FORD429CJMAN
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posted 06-12-2004 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FORD429CJMAN   Click Here to Email FORD429CJMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the help on tring to find out the defferance it was really confusing because the ford place said that it was a cj because it had an j for the engine code so i guess i just got a plain 429 then but its still a good start for my old 73 ford truck thanks alot

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73torinoqcode
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posted 06-12-2004 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 73torinoqcode   Click Here to Email 73torinoqcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They can make a bunch of HP nice Truck engine for sure.

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FORD429CJMAN
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posted 06-12-2004 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FORD429CJMAN   Click Here to Email FORD429CJMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeaq it will but i am still tring to find out why the ford place has it as a cj instead of a thunderjet because they said and engine code j was a cj but the info i got fom klutz that a cj has diffrent head numbers on it i am not for sure if dove c is all the part number on the head or not so i am still hoping for a cj but if not the plain 429 still has alot of possibilities in a truck thats for sure and if any of you guys know where a 79 mark 5 lincoln is with a disc brake rearend let me know because i was going to use the one out of this lincoln i pulled the 460 out of but its going to the guys son thanks

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posted 06-13-2004 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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am still tring to find out why the ford place has it as a cj instead of a thunderjet because they said and engine code j was a cj

What is the fifth character in your VIN?

1970 THUNDERBIRD, correct? The CJ/SCJ was only installed in TORINO/MUSTANG (and MERC counterparts) chassis.

The CJ/SCJ cyl. head had a casting I.D. No D0OE 6090 R

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FORD429CJMAN
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posted 06-13-2004 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FORD429CJMAN   Click Here to Email FORD429CJMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well it starts out with a fo and they said that ment ford motor company because the vin did not end up with any letter that was any type of engine at all so they took the fo of and counted five down and it is a j they said that was a cj so i took kultulz pages you gave me and look up all the casting numbers for the cj but mine doesn't match at all it has dove-c on the heads and the intake but i don't have the engine out of the car yet so i haven't been able to see the block numbers yet i have just been taking the guys word on it he said he bought it brand new and had a cj in it its even got a cj air breather on it but the head numbers dont match the cj its just got dove-c on them unless i am looking in the wrong spot but the dove-c is right were the exhuast manafold bolts on so i am sure thats it it even has a dove on the intake as well so if it is not a cj wasnt dove like a high performance type supplier for ford and chevy back in the 60 early70 i have done some reaserch and i dont know if that aplies to the dove ford engines or not but thanks for all your help.

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KULTULZ
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posted 06-13-2004 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
D0VE C means it is the third upgrade on the heads (429 TJ). First year was C8VE. D0 represents 1970, V is for LINCOLN (385 Series 460 first went to LINC DIV).

Give me the complete VIN No. The guy at the FORD dealer should have known better.

Excerpt from CJ MUSTANG site listed above;

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429 CJ/SCJ Blocks

The Four Types of 429s
(Thanks to Dan Davis)

First was the base 429, known as the Thunder Jet (TJ). It came in T-birds and full size Fords in the late 60's and early 70's. Typically 360 horsepower. By far and away the most common -- they made 100,000+ of these. Can be ID'd be block casting numbers of C8SE, C9VE, D0VE, D1VE among others and head casting numbers of C8SE, C9VE, D0VE among others.

Then there was the 429 Cobra Jet (CJ). It was built only in 1970-71. It was only installed in mid-size (1970-71) and pony cars (1971 only). 370 HP (likely underrated), thick strong blocks and massive ports int he heads. ID'd by D0VE-A and D1VE-AA casting numbers on the block and D0OE-R on the heads. No other numbers are CJ. Not too common, maybe a total production of 15,000.

The 429 SCJ was a stronger version on the CJ. The difference was forged pistons, solid lifter cam and four bolt mains. The rest of the info is the same. Even less common with a production of maybe 3,000.

The baddest of them all is the Boss 429. It was rated at 375HP (grossly underrated). It came in special Mustangs (and 2 Cougars) in 1969-70. It had four bolt mains, aluminum hemi-style heads and looked like no other engine. ID by casting number on the block of C9AE. The heads ID themselves. Very rare and very expensive as only about 1,200 were made.



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FORD429CJMAN
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posted 06-13-2004 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FORD429CJMAN   Click Here to Email FORD429CJMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you alot for helping me so much on the 4 types of 429s i will get the complete vin number and post it when i get it thank you.

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