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Topic: How do I get a broken starter nose cone out of my bellhousing?
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 505
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-30-2006 09:50 PM
 
I was trying to start my 351c tonight and it let out with a loud crack. I turned the engine over by hand it could hear it clunking back by the starter. I then pulled the starter out and found out the drive gear was pushed forward and blew the front of the cone off. Now, how do I get the starter nose cone out of the bottom of the bellhousing without pulling the trans? Any thoughts?------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ stuffed closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans,custom 4200 JPT converter, a Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 329.1 RWHP and 299.3 RWTQ 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1558
From: central Indiana
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-30-2006 10:16 PM
Tip the truck on it's side and shake it.  Sorry. I couldn't resist.  ------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 408C 4V, 10.50 127 MPH
Prowler Purple '87 T'bird Turbo Coupe
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chandler
Gearhead Posts: 216
From: Sheboygan, WI
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 03-30-2006 10:36 PM
How about a magnet?
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-30-2006 10:49 PM
No, a magnet won`t work, as the nose cone is aluminum. I suppose you could try putting something sticky on a stick (like duct tape, or even chewing gum), and poking around thru the starter hole. You may get lucky. Otherwise, short of drilling a fairly large hole in the bottom of the bellhousing, you may need to pull it apart. Any idea on WHY the starter broke? Good Luck.[This message has been edited by Rory McNeil (edited 03-30-2006).]
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Mark Ugrich
Gearhead Posts: 351
From: Waukesha, Wisconsin,U.S.A.
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 03-30-2006 11:08 PM
Depending on how large a piece is in there, a mechanical finger might work.Most of the parts stores have them.An air gun might dislodge it to a point where you can grab it too.
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 505
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-30-2006 11:21 PM
So far I've tried: blowing air in under the ring gear to see if it would bounce around enough with my other hand in the starter hole as far as possible, I stiff wire with really sticky packaging tape on it probing around, and putting a bolt through a hole in the flexplate with a wire pinched around it with some rags tied to it and I spun it around a couple times and tried to get it to grab it, but nope.As for why it did it, I'm not sure. With my MSD Digital 6 box and I have it set on full start retard, it will kick and stop the starter sometimes. My timing is locked out but with the start retard, it shouldn't kick back. I'm not sure if my MSD Digital 6 plus box is defective, just got it this last summer. But I'm guessing I'll be pulling the tranny back a few inches on Saturday and pulling that piece out. ------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ stuffed closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans,custom 4200 JPT converter, a Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 329.1 RWHP and 299.3 RWTQ 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1558
From: central Indiana
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-30-2006 11:41 PM
Tipping the thruck on it's side sounds more appealing now don't it?  ------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 408C 4V, 10.50 127 MPH
Prowler Purple '87 T'bird Turbo Coupe
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 505
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-30-2006 11:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
Tipping the thruck on it's side sounds more appealing now don't it?
Ha, yeah, if there was a SAFE way to lay it on its side, that would be the best. But, I really don't think thats an option. I think starters should be made out of STEEL so the pieces can be picked out with a magnet. HAHAHA ------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ stuffed closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans,custom 4200 JPT converter, a Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 329.1 RWHP and 299.3 RWTQ 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 7251
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 07:54 AM
Sounds like the start retard isnt working properly, or mayeb not all the time. My timing is locked out and I run an MSD Starter Saver, and it never kicks back.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-31-2006 10:13 AM
We never have starter issues anymore since we just started using good sh*t.
Sometime in the early 90's went to brand new gear reduction stuff only and never looked back.
With locked timing, high or low compression.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 505
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-31-2006 01:11 PM
This starter was a brand new gear reduction unit. It lasted about 2 years. I didn't put a crappy starter back in it after the remaned one went out. I'm looking at getting a CVR starter for it this time around.I'm gonna give MSD Tech a call and ask them about the box. Unless its a starter issue that was causing my engine to kick, but I'm thinking the starter broke cuz the engine kicked back. ------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ stuffed closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans,custom 4200 JPT converter, a Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 329.1 RWHP and 299.3 RWTQ 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 505
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 03-31-2006 08:05 PM
GOT IT OUT!!!! Ended up putting a couple rags on a wire and bolting it to my flexplate again. Spun the engine by hand and it came up with the rags. Now I just have to wait until Monday when my CVR #5055 protorque starter arrives. Thanks for all the help and advice guys. ------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ stuffed closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans,custom 4200 JPT converter, a Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 329.1 RWHP and 299.3 RWTQ 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-01-2006 03:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by f100cleveland:
Ha, yeah, if there was a SAFE way to lay it on its side, that would be the best. But, I really don't think thats an option. I think starters should be made out of STEEL so the pieces can be picked out with a magnet. HAHAHA
http://www.accessiblesystems.com/etfiles/et.php ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '70 Mustang Convertible - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 XL
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Mark Ugrich
Gearhead Posts: 351
From: Waukesha, Wisconsin,U.S.A.
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-01-2006 07:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
We never have starter issues anymore since we just started using good sh*t.
Sometime in the early 90's went to brand new gear reduction stuff only and never looked back.
With locked timing, high or low compression.
Alex , What is the good stuff? I'm thinking of replacing my permanent magnet ford starter.Tilton?
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Ci8UUP
Gearhead Posts: 631
From: Renton, Washington
Registered: May 2005
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posted 04-01-2006 10:14 PM
Next time just take a cutting torch and cut away the flexplate.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-03-2006 05:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Ugrich:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Moneymaker:
[b]We never have starter issues anymore since we just started using good sh*t.
Sometime in the early 90's went to brand new gear reduction stuff only and never looked back.
With locked timing, high or low compression.
Alex , What is the good stuff? I'm thinking of replacing my permanent magnet ford starter.Tilton? [/B][/QUOTE] We like and use the FRPP 1.6KW M11000-B50 and Powermaster products also. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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