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Topic: I lost 79 pounds..
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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-02-2005 06:30 PM
   
...off my front end.  Moved the 35 pound battery to the trunk, and swapped the 43 pound (each) styled steel wheels and tires for 21 pound Weld Draglites and tires. I'm happy so far. I'll see how much more weight is lost when I change the intake from the factory cast iron to the Edelbrock F4B, and change from the cast iron exhaust manifolds to the tubular Tri-Y's. It looks like the driveshaft swap will net me 6 pounds, going from factory 14 pounder to aluminum 8 pounder.
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Fastymz
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posted 06-02-2005 06:32 PM
Wow I didn't know the factory rims weighted so much. 
Maybe I need to start looking for some different rims too?
You going to do an alum rad and water pump too?BTW, how did you end up running your battery cable?
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 226
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-02-2005 07:00 PM
The cable runs over the inner wheelhouse (secured by a clamp) then down thru the quarter window cavity. At the bottom of the door jamb post there is a factory hole for wiring to pass thru, I used that and ran the cable in the depression under the sill plate (same place the factory would route wires back to the trunk). At the kick panel I ran it upwards and out the hole the antenna cable comes thru, then crossed over to the inner frame rail. I followed the frame rail to a spot just in front of the control arms where there is again a factory hole, perfect size to fit the rubber grommet and cable thru. I was at a show this past weekend and a concours 65 Shelby had the cable coming up thru this same hole. Only drilling I had to do was for the clamps to hold it all in place.
I don't think I'll do an aluminum water pump and I'll only do the radiator if I have to or if I find a smokin' cheap deal on one. My conventional 3 row only has 1k miles on it. I would like to do an electric fan.[This message has been edited by Scott H (edited 06-02-2005).]
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Fastymz
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posted 06-02-2005 08:08 PM
The only reason for the alum, parts is to save alittle more weight.
Summit racing has some universal alum radiators that run about $200. You do need to do some fab work to get it to fit.
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Ryan Wilke
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From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-03-2005 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Wow I didn't know the factory rims weighted so much.
Maybe I need to start looking for some different rims too?
Yo Ron,
Recall that Scott said that 22-lbs was the weight difference between two of the wheels AND tires. I'm fairly certain that Scott isn't running the same tires on the Draglite wheels as he did the steel ones. I'd guess one of the styled steel wheels alone would weigh about 26-lbs and one of the aluminum wheels alone would weigh about 14-lbs. The remaining 10-lbs difference would be between the two different tires. Nevertheless, yep, I'm sure you're correct in saying that the steel wheels are heavier than the aluminum wheels. Not trying to be picky, just trying to ensure clarity ---  Ryan
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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2005 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
Yo Ron, Recall that Scott said that 22-lbs was the weight difference between two of the wheels AND tires. I'm fairly certain that Scott isn't running the same tires on the Draglite wheels as he did the steel ones. Ryan
"and swapped the 43 pound (each) styled steel wheels and tires for 21 pound Weld Draglites and tires." To me it sounds like he saying "EACH" meaning one wheel and tire set, is cutting out 22pounds per wheel and tire. ------------------
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 226
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-03-2005 03:11 PM
Yep, I weighed one styled steel wheel with tire and it came to 43 pounds. I weighed a skinny Draglite with tire and it came to 21 pounds.
Times two wheels = 44 pound savings for the pair of wheels with the pair of tires. The other 35 pounds is weight transfer from moving the battery from the front to the back.
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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2005 06:35 PM
Scott, thats amazing savings,what size rims did you use in the front, and what tires?Thanks ------------------
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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-03-2005 06:45 PM
Here's the best part...
the rims are 15" but without taking off the tires I don't know what width..maybe 4". I mounted them and they clear my factory disc brakes. The tires are 165R15 86S.
And I got 'em for $50/pair. SCORE!
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Fastymz
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posted 06-03-2005 06:54 PM
Thats a great deal, I might need to sell off my heavy steel rims too?------------------
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2113
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-04-2005 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
"and swapped the 43 pound (each) styled steel wheels and tires for 21 pound Weld Draglites and tires."To me it sounds like he saying "EACH" meaning one wheel and tire set, is cutting out 22pounds per wheel and tire.
Yep, that's how I read what Scott was saying as well, but I thought you might of thought that was only the difference in wheels - not wheels AND tires. I'm glad everyone's on the same page!
Regarding dumping your Magnum wheels, PERSONALLY, I think they look GREAT on your car and while you plan on keeping it a streetable car, I'd stay with them. WHY?
1) The GREAT Nostalgia look they provide;
2) The steel Magnums are MUCH stronger (will withstand potholes and curbs better); and,
3) They provide you with a larger footprint than a 4" wide wheel which is important when driving in less than ideal traction settings. JMHO,
Ryan
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 226
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-04-2005 09:08 AM
Ryan speaks wisely. I am not going to sell off my Styled Steel wheels with the dual redline radials...they just look too cool with the Silver Frost paint and black GT stripes. And I don't think I would enjoy much street driving on those 4" wide front rims! I plan to change tires/wheels back and forth. I also plan to do the same with the 8" rear end. I have a 3.00, a 3.55 posi, and I'm looking for something like a 4.56 for track use only.
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Fastymz
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posted 06-04-2005 02:09 PM
Thanks Ryan Scott, 4.56 for the track ------------------
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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-13-2005 12:50 PM
UPDATE
Lost another 41 pounds...total lost 120 pounds, all from firewall - forward.Swapped headers for cast iron exhaust manifolds. Pair of manifolds was 18 pounds, pair of headers was 12 pounds. 6 pound savings (plus the obvious performance gain). Swapped cast iron 4v factory intake for aluminum Edelbrock F4b (duplicate of old cobra intake). Iron itake was 34 pounds, alum intake is 14. Saved 20 pounds. Removed heater box, saved 15 pounds. Also got ugly heater hoses out of engine compartment, and I haven't used the heater system in 10 years anyway. I'm going to try to use the heater fan switch for my radiator electric fan. The power wire is easy, right there at the firewall, then if I ground it thru the 3 way switch I should be able to run low-medium-high. That's only until I get a thermostatic switch for it.
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capri man
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From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-13-2005 01:27 PM
scott, the moroso (MOR-63760) temp controll switch is only $30. they are great, turn the fan/pump on at 160 and off at 140. also you have a manual setting if you just want it on all the time. i love mine because im to stupid to remember to turn the fan/pump off after a run. i just leave it on automatic when i get back to the pits and it remembers for me. be sure to have it on "on" and not "auto" when you make a run cause you dont want it coming on during the race. good luck------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.25 @93mph 1/8
1.54 60ft 50 % of the fun dragracing is meeting people who will give you the shirt off their back to wipe the grease off your hands.
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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-13-2005 02:37 PM
Thanks for the info Mike, I'll keep it in mind. Trying to get the car on the road for a show June 26 so I'll probably do the moroso switch after that.Just finished putting the tires/axles/driveshaft back in after swapping in the 3.55 posi Alex set up for me. Almost got the Royal Purple lube in before the rain started. I was listening to the thunder and started seeing lightning so I figured I better put down the 4-way lug wrench/lightning rod and head back inside!
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capri man
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From: doerun, ga.
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posted 06-13-2005 03:00 PM
good idea about the wrench/rod!! i think you are getting the remnants of what we had this weekend.------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.25 @93mph 1/8
1.54 60ft 50 % of the fun dragracing is meeting people who will give you the shirt off their back to wipe the grease off your hands.
M&M member #839 http://perfectrun.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/images/smiles/icon_5usaribbon.gif
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Fastymz
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posted 06-13-2005 03:57 PM
Thanks for the update 
I can't wait to see what it'll run?------------------
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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-13-2005 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Thanks for the update
I can't wait to see what it'll run?
I'm going to give a G-Tech a run and let you know soon.
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3ponies
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From: Winfield, IL, USA
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 06-13-2005 11:17 PM
Scott, I'll be happy to take my 65 with the new trans and 4 heavy Cragar SS wheels to the track with you. Since you built the engine you guess who will win!Good luck with the rest of the weight reduction!
Rick
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Scott H
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-13-2005 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by 3ponies:
Scott, I'll be happy to take my 65 to the track with you. Since you built the engine you guess who will win! Rick
Hmmm
Actually I built BOTH engines. 
Same gears, same headers, similar ignition, similar intake. You have better heads (351w) and your AOD trans with a better converter should give you even more of an edge. Your Holley Avenger vs. my Autolite 4100. My only slim hope is my weight reduction, better traction, and weight transfer. [This message has been edited by Scott H (edited 06-14-2005).]
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Fastymz
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posted 06-14-2005 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by Scott H:
I'm going to give a G-Tech a run and let you know soon.
I just started using my dads G-tech. What a cool little tool it is. The only problem I have. Is it's hard to find back roads around here, where you can get a full 1/4 mile pass in. So mostly I'm just doing 0-60mph and a few 1/8th miles. Let me know all your times so we can compair.
Still amazed how that thing messures your RPM's from the cigar lighter? ------------------
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3ponies
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From: Winfield, IL, USA
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posted 06-14-2005 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Scott H:
Hmmm
Same gears, same headers, similar ignition, similar intake. You have better heads (351w) and your AOD trans with a better converter should give you even more of an edge. Your Holley Avenger vs. my Autolite 4100. My only slim hope is my weight reduction, better traction, and weight transfer.
One other advantage you have is besides the car weight difference I am heaver than you too! Put another 30lbs of weight advantage on your side! [This message has been edited by 3ponies (edited 06-14-2005).]
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Scott H
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 06-14-2005 07:29 AM
Okay on the driver weight issue, I currently have a slight advantage! My coupe with std interior should weigh less than your convertible with deluxe interior. Your power steering also adds weight and is a parasitic horsepower drain. But you also have full roller rockers, and a few more points of compression than I do. Plus with your main cap brace, better rod bolts, head and main ARP studs, and MSD billet distributor I think your engine will live longer at the higher rpm's. [This message has been edited by Scott H (edited 06-14-2005).]
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3ponies
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From: Winfield, IL, USA
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posted 06-14-2005 09:45 AM
Scott, Maybe you built the engine too good but the proof will still be on the track! Test & Tune Rt 66
Tuesday 7/05????Taking the 03 Cobra to Byron this week end if the weather holds. Rick
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