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Topic: Mechanical fuel pump for an FE?
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Joe Grippo
Gearhead Posts: 148
From: Philadelphia, Pa
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 04-08-2005 11:05 AM
   
Has anyone used a mechanical fuel pump on an FE? My Dad wants to use one on his 428CJ and he wants high gpm flow rates. The car will see primarily street use with an occasional jaunt down the drag strip. Anybody have any suggestions? My recommendation was an electric pump, the ubiquitous Blue Holley perhaps, but I don't think he trusts them for continuous street duty. Any thoughts?------------------
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-08-2005 11:18 AM
Always had good luck with Carter performance series mechanical pumps for street use.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Joe Grippo
Gearhead Posts: 148
From: Philadelphia, Pa
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 04-08-2005 11:46 AM
I could look it up but....Does the performance series use pipe fittings or AN? Thanks Alex.
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Joe Grippo
Gearhead Posts: 148
From: Philadelphia, Pa
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 04-08-2005 11:57 AM
I looked it up...the performance series does use NPT and the competition series uses AN. I like the higher flow and pressure of the competition pump but I didn't see an application for an FE...Thanks again!------------------
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427Fastback
Gearhead Posts: 258
From: N.Vancouver.B.C
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-08-2005 12:20 PM
Purchased mine many years ago through what was then called (Ford)Motorsport division.Also put one one a 69 SCJ.They have NPT fittings which means you can put A.N.fittings in.They look very much like a good old Carter performance pump.I believe the CJs and SCJs came with the big Carter (rebuildable)pump when new.------------------
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 212
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 04-08-2005 12:55 PM
I posted this on the FE forum not too long ago. I was using a Carter M6905 FE 120gph street pump and when I hooked up an Autometer electric fuel gauge, found out the fuel pressure would drop to about 3 psi from 6.5 psi just getting on the motor a bit. Didn't take the car to the track so don't know how low it would have gone at the end of a 1/4 pass. It wasn't fuel line problems since I have dual 3/8 inch pickups at the tank and a -8 AN line to the pump. As you stated the selection of FE pumps is very limited so I got a 170gph Carter pump (M61044) for a 385. I think the small block pump (M60968)would work too. I think both of these are their NASCAR series of pumps. I just got the 385 pump since it was in stock at Summit. I think the small block pump has the inlet and outlet like the FE pump and the 385 outlet is on the opposite side of the inlet which worked out well for me. These pumps come with -10 AN inlet and -8 AN outlet. The FE pump comes with 1/4 NPT inlet and outlet. If you look at the inlet hole it is really small. Anyway just by switching the lever on the 385 pump with the FE lever it will bolt on. The bodies are the same. In my case the pin for the lever in the 385 pump was glued in with loctite so I ended up drilling a hole in the body and punching the pin out and removing the lever and diaphragm/spring assembly. The FE pump lever pin just pushed out easily. I just moved the 385 diaphragm and spring to the FE pump and used the bottom half of the 385 pump with the valves and AN inlet and outlet. The bottom half is held on with just 6 or so screws. Anyway, the pressure went to 8 psi and wouldn't drop below 6.5 psi. I found out the diaphram/spring assembly determines the fuel pressure. If you keep the diaphragm and spring on the FE pump and just switch out the bottom half of the pump with the 385 piece (which is an easy 5 min job since you don't have to remove the levers) the pressure at idle and cruise is about 6.5 psi and doesn't seem to drop lower that about 5.5 psi which should be more than adequate. That's the way I'm running it now since I kind of worried that 8 psi might be too high for the needle and seat even though I think Carter states no regulator needed with these race pumps. If you don't already have a Carter FE pump you have to buy 2 pumps though. Hope this helps.
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Joe Grippo
Gearhead Posts: 148
From: Philadelphia, Pa
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 04-08-2005 01:34 PM
Gotta love the internet....Thanks everyone!------------------
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-08-2005 04:04 PM
M6905 is the street super pump and has 1/4 NPT fittings.
M4539 is a OEM 428 SCJ replacment pump which is still available.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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popeye
Gearhead Posts: 252
From: Dixon, IA USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 04-09-2005 08:04 PM
Since the carter pumps are rebuildable what does the kit consist of and where do you get one?I have had the race pump on the '69 windsor since '97 and it has worked great but maybe a freshen-up would'nt hurt  ------------------
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 212
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 04-09-2005 10:16 PM
This might be of some help.http://www.mustangmonthly.com/howto/20438/
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