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Topic: 331 is done
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-26-2005 05:38 PM
 
My 331 build is done. Specs are:
302 roller block
DSS crank/rods/pistons
Main girdle
Canton pan w/scraper
10.5 - 1 compression
Performer RPM manifold
650 holley
E-brock RPM heads 1.90/1.60
Comp XE274HR roller cam
Comp Magnum roller lifters
March underdrive pulleys
MSD distributorHeaded to the dyno this week. I just got a Wilson 4 hole 1 inch spacer, and will dyno with and without. Any guesses on hp/torque numbers before I go?
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 2835
From: Burlington, Iowa
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 03-26-2005 06:52 PM
My guess for all it's worth:346hp/360lbft
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 2835
From: Burlington, Iowa
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 03-26-2005 07:00 PM
Wow.Dyno2000 says: 451hp@6k 440lbft@5k
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Stephen & Horace Johnson
Gearhead Posts: 275
From: Gadsden, AL
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-27-2005 01:40 AM
you are not goin to make that much with the Ed heads and small valve------------------
"Stand It Up" Stephen Johnson #2162
"Happy" Horace Johnson #2167
NHRA-IHRA SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane (Ex-Van Cleve)
National Record Holder
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-27-2005 08:26 AM
Congrats on the new motor  I say 410hp   ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-27-2005 12:03 PM
Well, I'm hoping for between 375 - 400 hp, and around 350 lbs of torque. Its a 80/20 street/strip car, so if it makes those numbers over a pretty wide band, I'd be happy. I'll hopefully post numbers this week.
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JRG-'69MACH1
Journeyman Posts: 42
From: Henniker, N.H. USA
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 03-27-2005 02:01 PM
What is the style number of the wilson spacer you bought. I'm interested in one for my 351W and I'm curious to know how it works for you. Good luck!
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-27-2005 08:04 PM
The Wilson spacer is #004110, a four hole tapered combo spacer. I hope to have enough dyno time to run it with and without.
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-29-2005 07:42 PM
The numbers are in:403 hp at 6000
393 ft lbs at 4200 - 4400 Nice big flat torque curve, idles decent at 800, 14 inches of vacuum. I can't wait to get it in the car! I can't be happier with the combo!
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BLACK65FORDFALCON
Gearhead Posts: 182
From: Sidney, B.C
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 03-30-2005 01:05 AM
Congrats - Nice numbers. And who said you can't make that much power with E-brock RPM heads.
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-30-2005 09:37 AM
Thats great, thanks for posting the numbers
I hope mine ends up in a similar place.------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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blackford
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Corona, Ca
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-30-2005 08:27 PM
Your going to have fun with that engine! My 331 is close to those numbers and in a 3000 lb car it's a bunch of fun. Is a manual or auto going behind it? Rear gears?Was this with or without the Wilson spacer? Did you dyno it with and without the spacer? I just put a 1" spacer on my 331 so i'm curious. The 331 is in the 390 HP and 390 ft/lbs torque range at the flywheel based on the last chassis dyno and the 20% drivetrain loss rule (C4 auto and 9" posi rear). I never had it flywheel dyno'd, but the last chassis dyno was 313 RWHP @ 6300. Torque is probably going to end up right around 310-315 ft/lbs also, but the carb had a problem with the secondaries not opening fully so they had to manually open them. It was after were the peak torque occurs (3700 rpm based on previous run with old carb) so I won't know the final HP and Torque numbers until I get the carb fixed and back to the chassis dyno. 331s love to rev...have fun! ------------------
Tracy Blackford.
'65 "Black" ford FB, 331 with H beam 289 rods, KB322s, fully prepped 351w heads, 282S cam, C-4 auto, 3.50 9" posi. Many Suspension and handling mods. 4.5 year restomod project completed in May '04. 313 RWHP @ 6300 [This message has been edited by blackford (edited 03-30-2005).] [This message has been edited by blackford (edited 03-31-2005).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-30-2005 08:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 65driver:
The numbers are in:403 hp at 6000
393 ft lbs at 4200 - 4400 Nice big flat torque curve, idles decent at 800, 14 inches of vacuum. I can't wait to get it in the car! I can't be happier with the combo!
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-30-2005 09:24 PM
These numbers are without the Wilson spacer. They had done a pull with the Wilson, said it added about 7 hp, but they put the 4 hole phonelic spacer back on. I got there for the last 3 pulls. He gave me the disks with the dyno data, I have to install the software on my PC, forgot that my PC doesn't have a floppy. Will burn the disks to CD, and then install, so I can see all the runs.The car is a 65 fastback, 2900 pounds.
Has a C4, should stall around 2500-2700. Its got 3.55's in it. I have a 8" Currie TSD limited slip, that started doing the 1 wheel peel last year with my 289. So I need to do something with the rear. Any ideas? I'm looking at a Traction-lock, a locker or one of the new Tru-tracs. Currie says that they are coming for an 8" in a couple of months. Any suggestions? (I am leaving the ratio alone)
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-31-2005 08:08 AM
N20 Mike put a link up for the company that sells the tru trac, looks great - no clutches to wear out.http://www.andale.com/stores/sf_itemHome.jsp?foo=bar&sid=172860&cid=10461892&lid=110168041&mode=1&catId=1248831&parentCatId= ------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-31-2005 12:00 PM
Two words...Detroit Locker. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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65driver
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: Syracuse, NY
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-31-2005 08:48 PM
Will my 8 inch hold up? Also, where is the best place to get a carrier? Lastly, how will the locker be on the street?
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