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Topic: Front suspension upgrade from 6 cyl.
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-04-2005 10:32 PM
   
What would be a good set-up for drag?Springs? Shocks? How about Competition Engineering Adj.? I have a granada font disk set-up I want to use? and still keep rear drums. What do u think? Rear is tubbed w/4 link suspension and coil-over springs.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-05-2005 11:41 AM
Leave the 6 cylinder springs.
Granada brakes are very heavy for racing and have a lot of drag.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-05-2005 02:23 PM
The springs I have now have spacers? Should i leave alone or replace? If replace what springs should I use? Or should I look at a coil-over set-up?Is it a good idea for front disk brakes conversion? If so what kind should I look at?
(I want to upgrade the suspension in front)Arms, springs, front sway bar front disk brakes). I currently have a strong pull to the right when I press the brakes. quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Leave the 6 cylinder springs.
Granada brakes are very heavy for racing and have a lot of drag.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-05-2005 02:46 PM
If you can afford new stuff, then Wilwood medium duty Mustang kit is best.
If your springs are in good shape why replace them?
Loose the spacers.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-05-2005 03:00 PM
The car sits low as it is with the spacers and if I remove them It may drop down even lower. Would it be ok to use the wilwood set-up in front and leave the stock drums in back? Shocks in front - Would Competition Engineering adjustable be ok? Thank you for your help. quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
If you can afford new stuff, then Wilwood medium duty Mustang kit is best.
If your springs are in good shape why replace them?
Loose the spacers.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-05-2005 03:31 PM
If the old springs are all fagged out, then replace them with stock Moog or Elgin non AC V-8 65-66 Mustang springs.
I ran Wilwood disc on the front and stock drum rears for years.
C&E shocks are a waste of money. If you want cheap get the Summit house brand. Same shocks as C&E only white and cheaper. Both made by Gabriel.
If you want to step up we can offer you the best unit around. QA-1
Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-05-2005 08:00 PM
My research found:Wilwood dynalite pro series w/hp rotors.
Moog springs & summit drag racing shocks. Since the suspension is original, will stock replacement suspension be ok(upper/lower arms)? Is the V8 front sway bar upgrade ok? Thanks again for your help.
ps. I just purchased the car and want to set-up right.
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
If the old springs are all fagged out, then replace them with stock Moog or Elgin non AC V-8 65-66 Mustang springs.
I ran Wilwood disc on the front and stock drum rears for years.
C&E shocks are a waste of money. If you want cheap get the Summit house brand. Same shocks as C&E only white and cheaper. Both made by Gabriel.
If you want to step up we can offer you the best unit around. QA-1
Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6220
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-05-2005 08:25 PM
If it's being drag-raced, ditch the front sway bar entirely. It's nothing more than unnecassary weight in a dragcar. Plus it hinders the front end rise not allowing the weight to transfer as fast as it should.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-06-2005 10:41 AM
Medium duty is what we usually recomend as they are about30% cheaper than the pro series.
As KV says, no sway bar required.
Modify stock suspension componants with upgraded bushings and lots of sweat.MM has modified stock upper and lower arms.
SO does KV's car and we both wheel stand with the best of them. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6220
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-06-2005 10:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Medium duty is what we usually recomend as they are about30% cheaper than the pro series.
Medium duty is what is on the front of my car, and it stops better than anything else I've ever driven. It stops well enough I can make the first turn 1/8 mile racing from 110 mph.
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XR7
Gearhead Posts: 135
From: north Idaho
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-06-2005 02:20 PM
Alex, could you elaborate on the "upgraded bushings" for the upper and lower control arms? You must be replacing the entire shaft assembly on the upper? I will understand if you are reluctant to give out your hard earned secrets. Without giving up too much info could you point me in the right direction? Thanks------------------
68 Cougar XR7, 428 4-speed, Best ET 6.82 @ 101 1/8, 10.69@ 127.44 with 1.51 60 ft. Street legal all steel car w/ full interior.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-06-2005 04:08 PM
Same shafts, just a lot of massaging on them and taking out all the serations on the bushings.
Biggest thing is my greasable bronze bushing spring perch.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 03-08-2005 02:34 AM
I will be installing the Moog spring and I want to know how will the ride height be?
Will i have to cut the springs?
Rims/Tires = 195 75 15Also what kind of front tires do u recommend? Currently I have Cooper tires. Thanks
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Same shafts, just a lot of massaging on them and taking out all the serations on the bushings.
Biggest thing is my greasable bronze bushing spring perch.
[This message has been edited by Stangcrzy (edited 03-10-2005).]
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-11-2005 12:09 PM
Alex,The bronze spring perch - Are they available from you? If so how can I order them?
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bud4660
Gearhead Posts: 518
From: Mesquite, Tx. M&M #2925
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 04-11-2005 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Stangcrzy:
Alex,The bronze spring perch - Are they available from you? If so how can I order them?
Yes Alex has them. I have a set I got from him. Good Stuff!! Check out the photo's in the link. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/12578
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1967 GT Fastback S code, C6, 4:56, tubbed, 10 point cage.
Pictures in link.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/12578 1998 GT Convert.(sold 11/29/03)
Automatic, 3:73 FRPP Gears, Mac Girdle, Moser Axles
Griggs Sub's, Welded/Plated Torque Boxes, Strut Tower Brace, Strange 10way Struts, D&D K-member, MM HD lower control arms, Rear air bags
ProStars 15x10 w/295/50/15, 15x4 w/P195/75/15 and ARP Studs, 9/16" spacers [This message has been edited by bud4660 (edited 04-11-2005).]
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-11-2005 09:03 PM
Really nice stang.Is that the perch in your picture? How does it handle over the stock one? Do you have springs in front if so how did you get that ride height? Cut springs...if so what kinda springs are you using and how much did you cut?
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bud4660
Gearhead Posts: 518
From: Mesquite, Tx. M&M #2925
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2005 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Stangcrzy:
Really nice stang.Is that the perch in your picture? How does it handle over the stock one? Do you have springs in front if so how did you get that ride height? Cut springs...if so what kinda springs are you using and how much did you cut?
I guess your asking me. If so Thanks. It needs painting for sure...lol..
Right now it has stock small block springs on it. The first pictures were the old springs that are worn out. I just got the motor back in it(FE 447 stroker). So the new ones havent settled yet. They have not been cut. I was thinking about maybe cuting one coil off, but have been told that will not help other than dropping the car down. It will not let the front lift right. So time will tell. Here is a direct picture of the saddle and spring. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/500/1257867spring1.jpg
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Stangcrzy
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Whittier, Ca
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-13-2005 12:04 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bud4660:
[B] I guess your asking me. If so Thanks. It needs painting for sure...lol..
Right now it has stock small block springs on it. The first pictures were the old springs that are worn out. I just got the motor back in it(FE 447 stroker). So the new ones havent settled yet. They have not been cut. I was thinking about maybe cuting one coil off, but have been told that will not help other than dropping the car down. It will not let the front lift right. So time will tell. Here is a direct picture of the saddle and spring.
* What strut rod are using?
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