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Topic: HEADER QUESTION
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-02-2005 11:56 AM
   
I may be able to put a set of headers on my car in the near future if the rumors are true about the changes they are making here in British Columbia for the retention of collector plates on your vehicle. So my question is, I have a 289 that is a little warm and ran 14.44 @107 in the 1/4 with stock exhaust manifolds, but since I may be able to put a set of headers on it soon I would like to know which are the best ones to use that will give me the best all around performance and the least amount of trouble for mounting with no ground clearance issues. I also have power steering on the car and am going to keep it, I have about $300.00 - $400.00 CDN to spend on them so what is the best bang for my buck? Also what kind of HP gain could I expect?------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
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73torinoqcode
Gearhead Posts: 361
From: Buffalo,NY,USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 03-02-2005 05:24 PM
You should see 5-10 HP at the wheels if your exhaust is extremely restricted. I always liked Hooker Super Comps but you may be able to go with an all out race header like a Hedman Hustler. You should be able to find a nice used set for what you want to pay. The HP gain is an estimate as you cant possibly guess your exact gain with your combo without dyno time. You will definitely notice a difference. I am no expert by far just giving an opinion of what you will most likely gain with a good exhaust.
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-02-2005 10:04 PM
TTT  ------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
03 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4 SHORT BOX
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 2419
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-03-2005 07:41 AM
I believe Hedman makes a short/midlength header for early mustangs. The tubes are 1-1/2" in diameter and should work much better than your manifolds, and not have any ground clearance issues.http://www.hedman.com It's part number 88400. It's specs can be seen here. Coated headers are also available. http://www.hedman.com/pages/hedders/pass-ford.html#MUST Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220 [This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 03-03-2005).] [This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 03-03-2005).]
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2398
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-03-2005 03:01 PM
if you're keeping the P/S you will need the drop bracket (or you can maybe do something yourself if your handy with fabricating) and if your budget is meant to include the drop bracket then your not going to have much money left for the headers.
Also depends on whether you want nice headers without coatings, or cheap headers with a coating. the flowtechs (hooker comp copies made under Holley) can be had with a ceramic coating for 200 USD. I dont know of anything that can beat that for price. People I have spoken too say the coating lasts OK. But the super comps get a lot of thumbs up as far as performance goes - with your budget I dont think you will get supercomps with a coating.------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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sprcoop
Gearhead Posts: 373
From: Tucson, AZ usa
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-03-2005 04:06 PM
I just bought the Hedman 1" drop bracket (part# 20120) to put full length headers on a Mustang with power steering for $13 at my local speed shop. I see them at Summit for $19.69. Nice beefy piece and installed on a 66' in about 5 minutes. That is saying a lot because I can screw up a wet dream. That shouldn't take too big a chunk out of your budget.------------------
Jerry Cooper
Candy Apple Red, 66' Coupe, Wide Ratio Toploader
9" 3.50 peg leg now, soon to be Traction Loc
302 Block at the Machine shop
Soon to be 300+ HP
15" Styled Steel Wheels [This message has been edited by sprcoop (edited 03-03-2005).]
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-05-2005 10:17 AM
Does anybody else have any other opinions? The ones on here are very good, but I would like as much information as I can get. I really respect the tech info on this site and would like as much as possible before I buy my headers. I can bump up the cost to about $500.00 - $600.00 CDN if needed.------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
03 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4 SHORT BOX
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 03-05-2005 11:42 AM
Only one choice as far as I am concerned.
Tri-Y's.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-05-2005 08:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Only one choice as far as I am concerned.
Tri-Y's.
Why is that Alex? Would I still need the drop bracket for the power steering? Please give me as much info as you can. Thnx ------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
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Moneymaker
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posted 03-05-2005 09:06 PM
Taking my lovley Beth out for the night.
 Will answer all questions tomorrow. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-05-2005 09:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Taking my lovley Beth out for the night.
Will answer all questions tomorrow.
Enjoy the evening, looking forward to seeing your answer tomorrow.
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JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
03 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4 SHORT BOX
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
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Moneymaker
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posted 03-06-2005 10:34 AM
Tri-Y's will give you the best street performance for your mild 289, fit the best, no PS drop bracket needed, best ground clearance, and low initial purchase price.
Great low end torque and throttle response.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-06-2005 08:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Tri-Y's will give you the best street performance for your mild 289, fit the best, no PS drop bracket needed, best ground clearance, and low initial purchase price.
Great low end torque and throttle response.
SOLD Thanks Alex ------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-06-2005 08:26 PM
Just about forgot to ask,will there be a marked difference from my stock exhaust manifolds and how much HP could I realistically gain, and how much of a difference will it make on the note of the engine? What kind of price range should I be in with the Tri-Y`s------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
03 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4 SHORT BOX
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
M&M #1710
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Moneymaker
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posted 03-06-2005 08:29 PM
About 20 HP over stock manifolds which will give you a serious seat in the pants pick up.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5855
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-06-2005 11:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
About 20 HP over stock manifolds which will give you a serious seat in the pants pick up.
Thanks Alex now I just have to wait for the confirmation that they will allow my car to have headers without really affecting the collector plate status of the car. I really want to run a set of headers on this car, i am also assuming that with headers it should vent the exhaust better and reduce some of the engine heat, is this true or just a myth? ------------------
JOHN
65 FASTBACK 2+2.....14.44 @ 107mph 1/4
87 TAURUS WAGON
03 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4 SHORT BOX
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
M&M #1710
65 FASTBACK
2003 F150 XLT SUPER CREW 4X4
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 03-07-2005 10:39 AM
Headers will actually increase the under hood temps, but they dissapate the heat ten times faster than manifolds.
You will need good wires if you don't already have them.
Overall engine temp shouldn't change.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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