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Topic: Replacing my stock 31 spline axles,what brand do you recommend?
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-27-2005 09:30 PM
  
Hi all, I'm replacing my stock 31 spline axles as my car is approaching the high 10's. I know of Moser,Strange and Mark Williams,which do you prefer? I think I will retain 31 splines as most calculators show that 31 spline is fine for my set up. I will not be going deep into the 10's to require the more heavy duty 33 or 35 spline set up.
Thanks.------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-27-2005 10:46 PM
Buy them once!~
Strange are the best.
No brag, just fact!  ------------------
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Stephen & Horace Johnson
Gearhead Posts: 228
From: Gadsden, AL
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 02-27-2005 10:59 PM
Mark Williams bar none..if they hold up in our 3400lb Stick shift Fairlane then they have to be GREAT!!!!------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-27-2005 11:48 PM
MW is a high quality product.
Probably equal to Strange.
The problem with Mark Williams componants is that they are not compatable with anything but MW.
Once you start with them there is no stopping.
Bearings, spool, carrier bearings etc.
With a Strange 9 inch you can get service parts most anywhere.
Also, MW won't make you axles with 1/2 inch studs.
I wouldn't use them if I had a choice.
I don't like to be married to a manufaturer for small parts if I don't have to be.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6007
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 02-28-2005 12:25 AM
AlexI had a chance to buy a housing and axles cheap one time... 44 spline! I wondered what the heck that was, they were no bigger than a 33 spline axle, just finer splines. I have three sets of Strange axles here and my only wish would be for the flanges not to be hardened so tough. Redrilling the stud pattern or adding an access hole to the backing plate nuts is almost impossible.
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rustang@home
Gearhead Posts: 134
From: Clarion, PA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-28-2005 05:17 AM
It's been a few years so I'm not up on current prices, but the cheapest axles (31 spline) were Mosers and the Strange axles were a hundred bucks more. However, when I talked to Strange the guy told me they make the SS Street axles, and they were equal in price to the Mosers. At the time Strange didn't advertise the SS Streets much. The difference between the SS streets and their race axles (both legal for 10.99 and under) was the SS axle had enough flex to take street driving with a spool. They told me street driving the race axle could snap if you get too much windup cornering. (honest!) Moser's said their RACE axle was streetable so that led me to believe apples to apples Moser race axle = Strange SS Street. Also check out their warranty, as neither company at the time would warranty the 31 spline axle, but would warranty the 33 spline. So if you haven't bought a spool yet that's something to think about 'cause there was no difference in price to upgrade.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 920
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 02-28-2005 12:52 PM
Not to be disagreeable.....  All the aftermarket axles I've seen break were Strange! I have Strange in my car, but I didn't buy them. We have bought and used Moser axles quite successfully . Good price and we haven't broke one yet. Just my $.02 ------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 02-28-2005 01:17 PM
That makes a lot of sense DV.
Strange has been in business longer than all the rest of them so consequently they have more product in the field, both new and recycled.
More product = more oppertunity for breakage.
Last year we broke a Moser spool on one of our crate motor chebbies at Cordova.
The slower one of the two.
32 passes and it split on a mid 11 second 3200 pound foot brake car.
Matt bought the entire assembly from them, drum to drum assembled. It was substancially cheaper than a equal Strange or MW set up.
I had to argue with them for 2 days before they finally conceeded to replace the parts.
(This was right after Greg Moser passed away)
We sold them and installed a Strange spool and R&P. Over 150 passes later and zero issues now.
I won't even install a customers Moser parts anymore. Not worth the grief and hassle.
C-clip eliminators look like Fred and Barney made them and will leak every time unless a lot of silicone is used.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 920
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 02-28-2005 02:08 PM
I'm just going by the experience we had on both of KVs race cars.Both the Granada and his current 69 have 31 spline Moser axles and they have held up fine. Interior parts are Strange. My car has 35 spline Strange axles and they are doing fine so far also. ------------------
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1614
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-28-2005 02:12 PM
I have had 2 sets of Strange spools & axles in the 428 Fairmont, 33 spline 9" when I ran the automatic (with trans brake), when I switched over to the Jerico 4 speed, I went with a 35 spline Dana 60. I ran the 33 spline 9" for 10 years, the 35 spline Dana has been in for 7 years now. Other than 2 ring & pinions in the 9", both diff`s have been bulletproof. The Strange stuff also has very nice fit & finish. I have a Moser 31 spline spool, axles, & C clip eliminator in my 85 Mustang Stocker, which have also held up just fine, although the car is much lighter. The Moser stuff does not look as nicely finished as the Strange, but they do the job OK. My buddy has a SS/F stick 66 Chevelle, he has everything possible from Mark Williams (spool, axles, F&R disc brakes, & driveshaft), the MW stuff is beautiful, and has been handling 8500 rpm clutch drops for 9 or 10 years now, with no problems. However, it is considerably more pricey. Around here, there are several shops that are Strange dealers, a few speed shops handle Moser, so both brands can be opptained in a short period of time. The Mark Williams stuff, I believe, needs to be ordered direct, and takes a bit longer to get. Personally, I see no reason to spend the extra $$, and unless the budget is really tight, I`ll always stick with the Strange Engineering stuff. My Fairmont also has Strange billet caps on the Dana, as well as a Strange chrome moly driveshaft. Every piece on the car from Strange has been excellent.------------------
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 2694
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-28-2005 03:30 PM
Mark Williams is a smart guy with his own very particular way of doing things. His stuff is indeed top shelf, but not all of it is interchangable. I have a C4/Toploader 28 spline slipyoke from them that I have been VERY happy with. I had to get it after twisting the splines in about a half dozen Spicer units. This one has held up to WFO nitroused launches with zero issues, and looks like a piece of art. It cost $170 back then, and MW was the only place that made aftermarket slipyokes for that application at the time.I ran a Strange 31 spline spool for a few years on the street and track. I've still got it, and it still looks great... and I even bought it used. Nice piece. After breaking one, and twisting the splines in another genuine Ford 31 spline axle I bought a set of Mosers. These have been through the hubs of H*ll, and still look great. They haven't had any issues with launching my stickshift 3300lb car WFO with the nitrous to the tune of a best 60ft of 1.43 seconds. They also handled a few years of street use with a spool using both wrinkle wall AND MT Indy Profile SS (sticky compound) non-wrinkle wall tires. The car now uses a Detroit Locker.... after the rear chassis got twisted out of shape from using the spool on the street for so long. (frame needed pulled) I don't have anything bad to say about any of these companies. ------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-28-2005 06:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
.. unless the budget is really tight, I`ll always stick with the Strange Engineering stuff..
Mine was when the Moser axles were purchased. They weren't my first choice, but they fit within what I could afford after breaking a second Ford axle. And even though they weren't my first choice, they did live thru hundreds of mid 1.40 60' times off a transbrake in a 3500 lb car and are still going strong today. My current car also has Moser axles, and they are also only 31 spline. Both cars did use Strange spools though. One day I may have to step up to bigger axles, but my wallet hopes that day doesn't come for a long time. 
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scperf
Journeyman Posts: 28
From: Houston, Ohio USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 02-28-2005 10:17 PM
I have had alot of exp. with Moser products. Being from western Ohio, they are only 45 miles from my shop. I've worked for a couple of speed shops around here and they all used Moser exclusively. I'm sure this is because we could get same day service, but we have never had an issue with any of their stuff.
On a sentimental note I knew Greg and his wife. They were very good folks who always had time to talk with me and my wife when we would drop off or pick up parts. On one occasion we drove over in my wifes `66 Mustang coupe and sparked memories for the Mosers of when they got married and their only car was a `66 Mustang. So anyhow, they at least started out Ford folks. That has to account for something.------------------
Mark Nishwitz
Sin City Performance
Houston, Ohio
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 02-28-2005 10:27 PM
Greg was a gentleman and a strong supporter of the sportsman racer.
I also new him and had nothing but respect for him. He was good for the sport and the industry.
He offered us a big time product sponsorship deal once, which I respectfully declined.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Stephen & Horace Johnson
Gearhead Posts: 228
From: Gadsden, AL
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 02-28-2005 11:44 PM
We didnt go with Strange at the time of upgrading our stuff because they didnt think there stuff would hold up in our car. So we went with MW because they knew it would hold up..thats the reason for our decision. They may have something to hold up now for our 3400lb car but whats the reason to change? lol------------------
"Stand It Up" Stephen Johnson #2162
"Happy" Horace Johnson #2167
NHRA-IHRA SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane (Ex-Van Cleve)
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9489
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-01-2005 12:43 AM
I've had good luck with Moser's. Melissa's '66 is still getting by with their 28 splined axles. Just put 33 splined Mosers in the other car and they are twice as tough as Mel's 28 splined Mosers. She 60's 1.42 off a T-brake and my junk 60's 1.64 off the footbrake. So, I'm pretty sure my junk's axles are bulletproof. SteveW
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2904
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 03-01-2005 01:15 AM
I have a set of 33 spline Moser's behind my BBF. They seem to be holding up just fine. I have another housing with a set of 35 spline Strange's and a strange aluminum center in it. I am going to have it narrowed and put four link brackets on it for future use. I think the Moser's are probably good axles and would probably last in my car. BUT when I put the 4 link under it I'm switching to the strange 35 splines, mainly because that's what was in the rear end. I would think the strange axles would be a bit stouter. ------------------
JS
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F15Falcon
Journeyman Posts: 70
From: el paso, tx.
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 03-01-2005 11:27 PM
I only use Dutchman axles in the cars and rear ends I build, and I have never had one break.
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-03-2005 05:21 AM
I went with the strange engineering kit that comes with bearings and the billet retainers.
Thanks for all the input and interesting reading.
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