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Topic: What front drag springs u runnin??
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jasonn
Journeyman Posts: 4
From: By Rochester MN
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 02-21-2005 05:14 PM
  
Was going to go with the moroso trick fronts but I heard alot of bad stories about them. (Can't get ride height right, so on) I think I have big block springs in right now. At least that's what I was told when I bought the car 14 years ago. Front end does sit a little too high. And it does not seem to transfer any weight. Can't get it to hook up at all. I see Mustangs unlimited list a 6cyl spring, 6 with air cond spring, small block spring, small block perf. etc. Anybody running 6 cyl springs with a small block?? Thinking of trying these?? I already have new replacement leafs with caltracs and 90-10 front shocks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much!!------------------
1970 mach 1
mild 408
519fwhp 532ft/lbs torque
11.50@117
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 180
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 02-21-2005 06:12 PM
I just switched to 6 cyl springs on my 69 FE stang. They were the ones for no A/C. I think Moog 8306. Bought them from a local parts store. They lowered the front about 3/8 to 1/2 inch more than stock BB springs with 1/2 coil cut. Measuring from the ground to the wheel opening centered over the front hub with M/T Sportsman 28x7.50-15 front tires the distance is 27 inches. I think the wheel openings should be pretty much the same for a 69 and 70? My FE has iron heads but Al intake. Battery moved to trunk, converted to manual brakes and steering. These charts if you haven't seen them already might give you an idea of difference in engine weights. The FE in the charts (427) has an Al intake already so it's pretty heavy.http://tc.ne13.com/FordEngineWeightsV1.html Hope this helps.
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carnutt331
Journeyman Posts: 27
From: Toms River N.J.
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 02-21-2005 08:01 PM
Hi Jason
I got old V8 289 springs with koni spa1 and no sway bar and weight transfer is good.frontend picks up and settles down.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-21-2005 08:25 PM
Moog 6 cylinder springs are a great choice.
The Moroso springs should never be used on anything other than an iron headed FE motor 67-70 Mustang, and even then they should be banded for 30 days prior to installation. MOROSO SPRINGS WILL NOT WORK IN A 65-70 SMALL BLOCK MUSTANG UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
THERE DATA IS ALL WET AND INCORRECT! ------------------
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ackjlo
Journeyman Posts: 37
From: fort myers, fl. usa
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 02-22-2005 10:30 PM
I've seen several post recommending front springs from 67,6 clylinder with air,others with no air. Every listing I've found has the same spring (8306) with or without air for 67, 69 & 70. The only one that has a different spring is a 68 6 cyl, 8304 with 8306 without. I'm looking for springs for my FE mustang. I already made the mistake of buying moroso's, so I'm trying to get the right ones this time around. Thanx for any help[This message has been edited by ackjlo (edited 02-22-2005).]
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jasonn
Journeyman Posts: 4
From: By Rochester MN
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 02-23-2005 09:30 AM
Thanks much guys!! First time here and you guys are awesome. Now maybe this'll help someone else?? Talked to my friend that owns a bumper to bumper store. He ordered me the 6 cyl w/air springs. You guys were right the one with NO air is moog part#8306. Free height=16 1/4". 1519lb spring. Load rating = 262. The 6w/air spring, can't remember the part# but Im sure I can get it if anybody wants. Free height=16 1/2. 1587lb spring. Load rating = 262. AND just for reference. 289 spring free height = 10 1/2". 1578lb spring. Load rating = 290lb. My stock mach 1 351 spring free height = 14 3/4. 1578lb spring. Load rating = 428lbs. Again I can sure get part#'s if anybody needs. Thanks guys.------------------
1970 mach 1
mild 408
519fwhp 532ft/lbs torque
11.50@117
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-24-2005 05:33 PM
Would the #8306 be the one's I want for my 65 too ?
Never mind I want #8088 sorry to jump in here.------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe 351w C4 Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 02-24-2005).]
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 295
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 02-24-2005 06:36 PM
Alex, do you know if the NAPA chassis parts springs are the same as the MOOG springs? I'm referring to the front coils for my truck.------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans with Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-24-2005 11:42 PM
Yes, Moog is NAPA's supplier.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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f100cleveland
Gearhead Posts: 295
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 02-24-2005 11:50 PM
So if I got the Napa springs, they would work just as good as the MOOGs? The reason I'm asking is because of the discount I get through work for the NAPA ones. The other parts store can get the MOOG's, but they are about 50 bucks more for the pair. ------------------
1982 Ford F100 2wd Shortbox. Powered by a 357 Cleveland w/ closed chamber 4v's and a Funnelweb. Full Roller c-6 trans with Gear Vendors Overdrive and 4.86 geared Detroit Locker equipped 9" rear. 1982 F100 351c 4v 1977 F150 460 Burnout Truck
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ntman
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Mulkeytown, IL
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted 03-06-2005 12:25 AM
Wish I had read this thread before ordering and installing the Moroso Trick Springs in my 67 Cougar. Took about 3 hours and after cutting a full coil off, front end is really high, 31" from the ground to the bottom of the wheel well. Looks like the wheels are ready to come off the ground with it sitting in the garage. There is still some extention left in the front shocks but not much. I will see how they work next weekend when our track opens. Wish me luck
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matt d
Journeyman Posts: 53
From: Coventry, CT USA
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-06-2005 10:08 PM
Here is a good site with lots of spring details. It looks like they list the 8306, 8088, 8090 and other typical Mustang front coil springs as long as you know which part number.http://www.classiccarsprings.com/springrates.html It looks like the 4-digit spring numbers are fairly universal. Mustangs Unlimited for example sells the above springs and uses those part numbers. So the 8306 that was mentioned in a few previous posts is for a 67-70 6cyl w/o AC. It has the same dimensions as a 65-66 8cyl spring except it is almost 1.5" longer....more ride height but with a lower spring rate (more stored energy for a given ride height). So does the 8306 work well on a '66 Mustang? I am also in the market to upgrade my 351W '66 Mustang with suspension pieces to help it launch. Thanks,
Matt ------------------
66 coupe with: 351W, Comp Cams XE274R solid roller cam, Fox Lake Stage 2 Trickflow heads, Performer RPM intake, 750 DP carb, Tremec TKO, 9" rear w/ 3.70s and a True-Trac limited slip [This message has been edited by matt d (edited 03-06-2005).]
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-06-2005 11:04 PM
The 8088's always work about perfect.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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matt d
Journeyman Posts: 53
From: Coventry, CT USA
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-07-2005 12:23 PM
Thanks Alex.Mustangs Unlimited lists the 8088 as the spring for 1965-1966 6-cylinder Mustang (all) and 1965 260 V8 without air conditioning. $70. I'll try it.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-07-2005 12:34 PM
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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XR7
Gearhead Posts: 129
From: north Idaho
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-07-2005 01:24 PM
So would the 8088 be the correct spring for my 68 Cougar with an FE, with aluminum heads, intake, waterpump, and radiator. Also with battery in the trunk. I have Moroso trick springs with 3/4 coil cut off now. I do have rollerized perches. Ground clearance is a concern because I have Hooker 2" race headers that hang a little lower than my 10 quart pan! My 60 fts should be in the 1.40's but I do run on a marginal track.------------------
68 Cougar XR7, 428 4-speed, Best ET 6.82 @ 101 1/8, 10.69@ 127.44 with 1.51 60 ft. Street legal all steel car w/ full interior.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 03-07-2005 03:21 PM
Yes.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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