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Topic: 289 rebuild ??s
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-05-2005 06:05 PM
   
well good news , forgetting the other car for now and am going full steam into a v8 swap. the 289 from the 68 fairlane will be pulled and rebuilt. my questions is mostly for alex. Alex your plan 300 hp from a 302 can be thought of towards a 289 too . my question is say i go this route what type of gas milage do you think i wil be getting from this motor? bc if it is less then 20 i will probably do a less powerful motor. ------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 02-06-2005 10:41 AM
Final drive ratio will have a lot to do with the end MPG.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 10:48 AM
yea i know i am pretty limited with my three speed. a t5 would be nice . i belive the new rear will have around 3.73s. but like i said i dont need 300 hp i was thinking just work the stock heads a bit and but a descent cam . an aveerage intake and like a holley 500cfm. i think the stock bottom end would be good for it. but i would like to make it as strong as possible without going forged just in case i want to build it up. or if forged internals arent that much more il go with them------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-06-2005 10:55 AM
Start out with your 2 barrel on an adapter.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-06-2005 01:34 PM
Build the motor to last,with the best parts you can afford. Don't worry about the HP rating. With 3.73 and no overdrive I don't see you getting 20mpg.
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oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe 351w C4 Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 02:42 PM
so if i am sticking with a 2 barrel are you saying an adapter from a 4v manifold to a 2v carb right? or just the stock two barrel manifold that is on the car.? mostly stock applications will prbably be fine. the motor might even be ok without reboring bc the motor has 70,000 miles on it. my uncle will be doing most of the machine work so i will get a good deal on it all. he will also be helping me put it all back together. how about cam specs? stick with stock? or something with alittle bit more lift and duration? like you said build it strong to last. thats the idea but who knows. im hoping 1500 will cover it for a little more then a basic rebuild. ------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
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posted 02-06-2005 03:11 PM
$1500 is the price I started at too. I went WAY over that, and looking back it was worth ever penny. 
I wanted a strong good running 351w. I ended up with a strong street motor. That runs smother then ever. And gets the same MPG that the old motor. But has a lot more kick when I want it. 
What will save you money is get a good idea of what you want from the motor. Before you buy anything for it.
The 2v adapter to a good 4v manifold would allow you to change over to a 4 barrel later.For little cost and work. ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe 351w C4 Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-06-2005 03:29 PM
Get the 4v intake and a adapter for now.
You can then change to a 4v when finances allow.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 04:17 PM
ok cool. any ideas on cam specs? should i worry about over camming the motor? since i am taking your opinion on the intake setup. figure stock heads worked.
how about this cam: crane cams summit # CRN-363902 1500-4500 rpm 204* int, 216*ext .456"int, .484" exhthis too much or to little. for stock heads? intake how about: i heard edelbrock carbs suck what about there manifolds? i was looking at a weiand stealth WND-8020 idle to 7000 rpm? this could be to much since the cam is so small? any thoughts? this is 166 i dont like that cam to only 4500 rpm. but it has to be ok with stock heads. how about up one notch from that cam to 2K - 5K rpm 216*in/228*ex .484"in/ .512"ex CRN-363942 this is 160 with lifter kit ------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree [This message has been edited by trashline (edited 02-06-2005).]
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-06-2005 04:22 PM
Don't like the cam.
Don't like the Weiand intake either.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-06-2005 04:27 PM
Do yourself a favor give Alex an email or call. He'll get you the right cam and maybe even give you alittle more advice too. I really like the 270h for a mild build motor. I don't think you could beat the RPM intake manifold. ------------------
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 04:38 PM
Alex Im blind as a bat. ok how about this setup? like i said i take what you say very seriously.edelbrock performer idle to 5500 rpm
comps 1500-5500 rpm 218* in/ex .456" in/ex the kit with lifters springs timing kit and such that better? ------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-06-2005 05:01 PM
Performer or RPM.
270S or for girlyman, 270H.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
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posted 02-06-2005 05:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Performer or RPM.
270S or for girlyman, 270H.
I went the girlyman route, next time I'll go with the 280S. Either way order your cam from Alex. He'll give a great price and plenty of help too.
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Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 05:25 PM
i talked to my uncle. he said bc my heads are 2v heads they will be effected majorly from the breathing capabilities of them. he is a chevy guy so he doesnt know much about fords . is this true? also what about the oil pan froma fairlane will it fit into the mustang?------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree [This message has been edited by trashline (edited 02-06-2005).]
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 02-06-2005 06:24 PM
I get all information from my cousin Tyrone.
He is a Hyundai guy.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1391
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 02-06-2005 06:42 PM
The 64-68 289 2v and 4v have the same ports and valve sizing of 1.78" intake and 1.45" exhaust.
(this info from Tom Monroe's "how to rebuild your small block ford")
That's why all the 289/302 intakes are interchangeable.Where you need to be concerned with port size is the Cleveland motors, the 2v is kinda like a golf ball, the 4v is more like a tennis ball. I'm not 100% sure on the oil pan but it should be a front sump and should be the same. You may want to consider the time and cost of cleaning the old one vs. just buying a fresh and clean new chrome one. I also think its a cool idea to run what you've got for now (the weber 2 barrel) until funds allow for the upgrade. Trust Alex over a Chevy guy anyday  . He isn't doing wheelstands using a Chevy 350, he's doing it with a 289! Scott
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Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-06-2005 07:55 PM
o i do trust alex. so the heads from 2v to 4v are the same. cool. i have money and most of the machine work will be free bc my uncle is doing it all at his tool and die shop------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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74merc
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From: Demopolis AL
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-10-2005 03:20 PM
Charlie Ping was getting 19mpg in his 72 Grabber with no overdrive and 3.73's.Roller block, B303 I believe, 650dp, Weiand X, long tubes and 4 speed, no OD.
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Fastymz
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posted 02-10-2005 04:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 74merc:
Charlie Ping was getting 19mpg in his 72 Grabber with no overdrive and 3.73's.Roller block, B303 I believe, 650dp, Weiand X, long tubes and 4 speed, no OD.
Well I'm no Charlie Ping thats for sure.
I was getting about 20 mpg on the highway with my old motor and 3.40 gears. ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe 351w C4 Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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Gearhead Posts: 1812
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 02-10-2005 06:02 PM
better then the 17.5 im getting with the 6 banger alot of highway miles now bc of work------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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