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Topic: Magazine Mustang project car flops
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-21-2005 10:55 AM
   
Any of you guys remember them? Popular Hot Rodding 1967 Project 390 Mustang? It was a brand new car.
Ton of parts, blue printed and never got out of the 13's. Car Craft 65 289 Mustang fastback "Project slug" from the mid 70's?
Killer 289, tunnel ram, clutch flite, and never got out of the 14's.
 Any more?  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 43791
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-21-2005 11:03 AM
Remember when Mustang and Fords installed a Edelbrock Performer kit, heads, cam, intake, and I think a set of headers, all pretty pricey items on a 289 powered Mustang, and only picked up something like 20-30 horsepower?Also, when I used to subscribe to Sport Truck magazine they once put a Bassini cat-back system on a Lightning and it lost 5 horsepower over the stock system. I thought that one was funny. $800 = 5 hp loss.  ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip [This message has been edited by SteveLaRiviere (edited 01-21-2005).]
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johnny 4-speed
Gearhead Posts: 156
From: Larkspur, Ca. USA
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-21-2005 11:07 AM
Yeah, the 10.5:1 compression,solid-cammed, 351-headed, balanced and blueprinted 289 in a 65 fairlane. Thousands of dollars invested, still looking for his first 12 second time slip......wait that wasn't in a magazine, that's me!   JD
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-21-2005 11:45 AM
Hang in there JD.
Stick with us and we'll get you in the 12's without spending any more money. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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TurboGT
Gearhead Posts: 202
From: Hutchinson, Kansas
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 01-21-2005 12:05 PM
How about the Super Ford magazine project cars? Oh yeah, they never finished any of them...------------------
Mark Walton
'83 Mustang GT 2.3 Turbo NHRA Stocker - it's alive!
'69 "off brand" NHRA SS/EA
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-21-2005 12:28 PM
John Paradise was famous for that. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 19583
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-21-2005 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by johnny 4-speed:
Yeah, the 10.5:1 compression,solid-cammed, 351-headed, balanced and blueprinted 289 in a 65 fairlane. Thousands of dollars invested, still looking for his first 12 second time slip......wait that wasn't in a magazine, that's me! JD
LOL Not laughing at you, but boy do I understand what your saying. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe 351w C4 Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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johnny 4-speed
Gearhead Posts: 156
From: Larkspur, Ca. USA
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-21-2005 01:03 PM
I'm not going anywhere. You guys are 
JD
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 1299
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-21-2005 07:30 PM
You guys forget....
The purpose of magazine articles is not to inform the reader, it's to sell advertising space.
Edelbrock was certainly pleased, I bet, with the article even though the engine only gained 30hp.
Many/most of the magazine dyno test motors never get put into a car. They are torn down and used for the next story. I know of SBC 383 that has been used for 10 or 15 years as a dyno mule, but never ran in a car.
I have proposed several interesting articles to a writer, and was shot down because the parts I was using are not currently for sale in a catalog like summit.
Sure a C302B porting article would be cool, but what advertisers would it benefit?
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BattlestarOne
Gearhead Posts: 248
From: Gettysburg PA USA
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 01-21-2005 08:32 PM
Dollar for dollar, I'll go up against ANY "magazine" guy.....  But then again, unlike those magazine guys, I've never "found" a trick set of aluminum heads in my basement for my "budget" build up...... ------------------
63 Galaxie 557" 9.89@137
66 Fairlane 472"11.48@118
60 Edsel 396" not real quick
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1098
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-21-2005 08:50 PM
How 'bout the "Engine Ford should have built" story by Hot Rod Chebby. They built a long rod windsor with 400 rods and blew it up on the dyno. I'm so disapointed they didn't finish that project. ------------------
Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 408C 4V, best time to date is 10.50 best MPH 127
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Dusty Kiser
Gearhead Posts: 175
From: Bethel,Oh USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 01-21-2005 09:41 PM
I know where you're coming from. I don't remember any specific car projects that sucked, but lots of stupid articles. Some of my faves were the ones where one of those desktop racing geniuses has some muffler shop put aftermarket exhaust system on a stocker and pick up 10 horsepower. Then they put open headers on the thing and test it and promptly lose 15 horsepower proving that Ronald McDonalds new exhaust makes more power than open headers. Of course, what he didn't say (or know) was when the exhaust was opened up, it went so lean it torched 3 sparkplugs, but so what? He sold some mufflers for good old Ronald and Ronnie bought a quarter page ad!
My all time favorite was Hot Rod's comparison build between a 406cu.in. small block Chev and 406cu.in. big block. Through the whole build they kept touting the small block with it's soda straw ports and light weight assembly as being heads up better than the big block with it's oversized ports. Same cams, pistons, CR, intake, carb etc. to maximize parity and further demonstrate the TRUTH of their theories and YEARS of experience writing about what we all need to know to go fast! On the dyno the inferior big block kicked butt, but just wait folks, when they put that heavy clunker in the nose of that Camaro, the true advantage of the small motor will be apparent! Well shucky darn, in spite of excessive wheel spin the big block was still two tenths quicker! In the final analysis it had to be the difference in rocker ratios! Go figure,couldn't have been their flawed theories!
Smokey Yunick said he never met a magazine writer who had ever won a race. DUH!
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-21-2005 10:47 PM
Read my quote #1 Dusty.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-21-2005 11:40 PM
a couple come to mind. hot rod taking a carbed ford crate 302 that came out of the box with an e-303 cam. wanted to show how things could change with an intake and cam swap. they stabbed like 5 cams and 3 intakes at it, showed the dyno numbers. i thought something looked funny. went back to begining of the article and the motor made more power out of the box than anything they threw at it. i like the article that claimed 30 or 40 hp with a fan swap. they took an sbc and base lined it with a 10 lb fan, looked like they took it off a sherman tank. then they put an electric fan on later and i was supposed to be amazed. same magazine claimed a hyd. roller sbf always lost power every time they revved it past 6k. had several dyno graphs with all the cams they run, sure enough every time it hit 6k, the graph went down. so why do we still get those magazines? believe it or not, its the pictures. ------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 5822
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-22-2005 12:57 AM
The hydraulic rollers usually do quit at 6000, they are heavy. There's ways to solve that i'm sure. The fan thing is funny... how much power does it lose when the car is moving? How does a windmill work? It probably is 40hp at the hit instantly and tapers off to zero hp or even a small gain in hp at 80mph.
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 616
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-22-2005 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by johnny 4-speed:
Yeah, the 10.5:1 compression,solid-cammed, 351-headed, balanced and blueprinted 289 in a 65 fairlane. Thousands of dollars invested, still looking for his first 12 second time slip......wait that wasn't in a magazine, that's me! JD
17k and still knockin on the 12 sec door this spring should be in the high 11 with giggle gaa, new carb fuel pump, roller rockers I got to stop!
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67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS engine RPM Air Gap 600 Holley ceramic coated headers T5, cable clutch Flows X Pipe 3.89 9". Clearwater Aqua GT Clone Vintage40 series 16X8 225 front 255/50 rear drag radials 13.25 @ 103mph 88 GT 5 spd new project 77k original miles Red and Silver
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johnny 4-speed
Gearhead Posts: 156
From: Larkspur, Ca. USA
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-22-2005 04:31 PM
I don't have the guts to count all my recipts! Can't stop now, too much time, money, and heart invested now! JD
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347lx
Journeyman Posts: 10
From: lancaster, ohio USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 01-22-2005 07:41 PM
$9000.00 and im yet to make a pass!!!!!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9104
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-22-2005 08:37 PM
The one thing that will always (in most cases) make more H.P. is cubic inches. I've seen lots of guys change cams, intakes, headers, etc. with mixed results. A bigger displacement engine usually does the trick. Of course the rest of the engine has to be able to handle the extra cubes. Get a light car and stuff the biggest engine you can in it. Then make it hook. SteveW
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-23-2005 09:20 PM
steve, you're no suggesting that we get a motor where the pistons actually move up and down?!! ------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6220
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-23-2005 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Any of you guys remember them?
...... Any more?
One I always loved was the Super Ford issue where they dyno tested several different intakes on a stroked-hi compression-roller cammed 4v headed cleveland and never made 500 hp. That motor was a dog in my opinion.
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BattlestarOne
Gearhead Posts: 248
From: Gettysburg PA USA
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 01-24-2005 10:08 AM
Not exactly a "flop" but some real nice misinformation from Hot Rod about 10 yeras ago.Discussing intake manifolds..... Paraphrasing here... "Dual Plane is for Race/RPM, Single Plane is for Street/Torque"........yeah, okay.... Also....... "On a Dual Plane Intake, the left side feeds the right bank and the left side feeds the right bank"........hmmmmmmmm.... Another GREAT article about where to find wheels if you want to do the "steelie" wheel look on your Ford. They mentioned Mustang, Fairlane, 77/79 Tbird, etc.....but they DIDN'T mention the biggest source which is the 49/72 Full Size Ford/Merc. I haven't bought a print magazine for almost 10 years. ------------------
63 Galaxie 557" 9.89@137
66 Fairlane 472"11.48@118
60 Edsel 396" not real quick [This message has been edited by BattlestarOne (edited 01-24-2005).]
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Built351c
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Big Lake, MN
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-24-2005 12:43 PM
In a mustang magazine last year they tested the new CHI heads and intake on a 351c4v motor. When they did the dyno testing they said they had no other intakes for the stock 4v heads other then the stock intake. Yet you could clearly see in one of the photos they had a Funnelweb intake for 4v heads sitting on the motor at one time. Must of closed the gap a little to much for the news print. Besides with using the stock intake they can claim the CHI setup made this much more power. Oh yea the CHI heads bumped the compression up another point. I just wish when magazines do these types of comparasions its more of a apples to apples and not apples to oranges comparasion.
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