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Moneymaker
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posted 12-22-2004 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
KAASE'S FORD WINS ENGINE MASTERS COMPETITION

You've all heard of the Engine Masters competition where the some of the best engine builders in motorsports build the most powerful single four-barrel, gas-burning, small-block Ford, Chevy, Mopar or whatever for a pretty significant cash prize. Some pretty famous engine builders (like Sonny Leonard and Jon Kaase, just to name two) built engines for this year's competition, which paid the winner $70,000.

So, as it was told to the Agent, everybody brought their bullet to the dyno room and starting making pulls. They got three shots on the dyno to get their best number. Chevy after Chevy went across the dyno and the best numbers that came up were around 680 hp! Then the last engine was bolted on the stand and that was the Ford of the legendary Kaase, who was the only builder in the competition that didn't bring a Chevy.

They fired the Ford up and made a pull. The numbers came up as 709 hp. They handed Kaase the check and the party was over. One of the perks for the builders was that they tore the Ford apart so that everyone got to see what Kaase did to the engine. The Bow-tie brigade cried and the Ford faithful rejoiced! [12-22-2004]

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sic67coug
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posted 12-22-2004 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sic67coug        Reply w/Quote
what size was the engine that he built an what was in it?

Ryan Wilke
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posted 12-22-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke        Reply w/Quote
Get the low down here:

http://popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/challenge/2004/

Ryan

clevelandstyle
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posted 12-22-2004 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle        Reply w/Quote
Good story, although it WASN'T the only Ford. Actually, the Fords showed very well. Tony Bischoff of BES got 3rd with a Ford and Scott Main of MPG finished 5th. Richard Holdener of coast high performance finished 6th. So, 4 of the top 6 were Fords!
Dave Mclain of McLain Automotive also showed well with a Cleveland , but didn't qualify for the final.

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Dubz
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posted 12-22-2004 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz        Reply w/Quote
so??

i coulda told you fords were better than chevs and saved all those poor guys the trouble.

Moneymaker
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posted 12-22-2004 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
God bless DRO and all they do for the sport, but they are after all, just an internet drag racing tabloid.
As a rule I only believe about 80% of what I read there.

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Alex Denysenko
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Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Daniel Jones
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posted 12-22-2004 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones        Reply w/Quote
> Some pretty famous engine builders (like Sonny Leonard and Jon Kaase, just
> to name two) built engines for this year's competition, which paid the winner
> $70,000.

The winner was awarded contingency money based upon how many sponsors parts
they ran. Kaase was awarded something like $77,500. Kaase won last year,
also.

> Then the last engine was bolted on the stand and that was the Ford of the
> legendary Kaase, who was the only builder in the competition that didn't
> bring a Chevy.

Of the 50 entrants selected for the dyno competition, only 20 were Chevrolets.
There were also 14 Fords, 7 Pontiacs, 5 Oldsmobiles, 3 Chryslers, and an AMC.
Of the top six finalists, 4 were Fords: 1st-Kaase, 3rd-BES (Tony Bischoff),
5th-Scott Main (MPG Heads), and 6th-Coast High Performance. Chevrolets took
2nd and 4th.

Of the Fords, there were several 351C-based entries:

Jon Kaase - CHI head, 351C XE block, Sonny Bryant crank
Dave Mclain, Scott Johnson, Brian Adams - CHI heads, SCAT crank, stock block
Tony Bischoff - 351C with Blue Thunder heads, 4.06" bore x 3.95" stroke
Jeff Lawrence - iron 4V heads and 351C block, 4.035" bore x 4.0" stroke
Scott Main and Bob Moore - CHI "Boss 302" heads on big-bore Dart 302 block

While Bischoff entered a 351C, he switched to a Windsor, possibly because
someone figured out the Blue Thunder heads weren't legal for the competition.

> They fired the Ford up and made a pull. The numbers came up as 709 hp. They
> handed Kaase the check and the party was over.

Kaase's best pull was just shy of 700 HP at 698.2 HP but the contest wasn't
awarded on peak horsepower. It was based on average horsepower between 2500
and 6500 RPM.

> One of the perks for the builders was that they tore the Ford apart so that
> everyone got to see what Kaase did to the engine.

If they follow the same format as last year, the top three engines will
be torn apart and the heads flow bench tested and the results published
in the next month or two's issue of PHR. Previously, PHR published the
Speed-o-Motive Windsor-based entry (build up prior to the competition).
I think they also intend to do an article on Main's Boss 302.

> what size was the engine that he built an what was in it?

Briefly, this year's rules were:

- small block engines
- 410 cubic inches maximum
- solid roller cam
- 92 octane pump gas
- street-type cylinder heads (not dedicated race heads)
- no canted valve heads on 351W blocks
- production intake manifolds and exhaust headers (no fabricated items)
- the winner is the one who makes the most average power from 2500-6500 RPM
- prize money is contigency based on how many PHR advertiser parts are used

PHR reserved the right to make up the rules as they go along. They didn't
allow 351C's to use aftermarket blocks though Chevys and Windsors were
allowed to use race blocks, Oldsmobiles were allowed to use Olds diesel blocks
and 403 big blocks, Pontiacs were allowed to use 455 blocks, AMC could use
Trans Am blocks, etc.. They wouldn't even let the 351C guys use a 351M or
400 block (Kaase originally wanted to run a 351M/400 block for the deck height
advantage). I sold Kaase my XE Autralian 4-bolt main 351C block but the rest
of the Cleveland entries used production blocks. At one point, it was feared
that PHR wouldn't allow the Aussie block, restricting the competition to
U.S. blocks. However, it was pointed out that Windsor blocks come from
Windsor, Canada. Also, no canted valve heads were allowed on Windsor blocks.
To get around that rule and still be able to run the Cleveland heads, Scott
Main went so far as building a Boss 302 using a Dart 8.2" deck block and
CHI "Boss 302" heads (Cleveland heads with water passages for Windsor blocks).
The bore was 4.250" and the stroke was 3.60" so displacement was 408.6 cubic
inches. That's a lot of cubes to pack in a 302 block. Kaase ran a set of
Australian CHI Cleveland heads, as did a couple of other entrants (Mclain
and Main). There was also a entry using iron 4V Cleveland heads.

> Dave Mclain of McLain Automotive also showed well with a Cleveland, but
> didn't qualify for the final.

Yup. Dave had one of the top horsepower pulls but his average between
2500 and 6500 RPM wasn't in the top six for the finals. He asked Kaase
what he did wrong and Kaase's response was that he didn't run enough
compression. Mclain ran about a point lower compression than Kaase.
To win, you had to be on the hairy edge of compression given the 92 octane
pump gas.

Dan Jones

bluestreek
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posted 12-22-2004 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek        Reply w/Quote
His shop is about 20 miles from me in Winder,GA. Couple of nice Ford shops there. They helped me with heads.

Kaase knows Fords!

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
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jim1320
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posted 12-22-2004 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jim1320        Reply w/Quote
Great job go cleveland power jim1320

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Dad Vishus
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posted 12-22-2004 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus        Reply w/Quote
Amazing, ain't it?

35 year old head design that still rocks!

Still the best bang for the buck there is.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2005 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Update:

KAASE'S EMC WINNER SBF TO BE AUCTIONED FOR CHARITY

Woody Woodruff from the Jegs organization called the Agent to let him know that after Jon Kaase picked up his check for wining the EMC with his 700+ hp small block Ford, he graciously decided to send the engine out to the Barrett-Jackson auction that takes place in Phoenix, AZ sometime in January to be auctioned off. All of the proceeds from the sale will go to the Jegs Foundation for Cancer Research.

Always wanted a 700hp, Kaase-built small block Ford? See you at the Barrett-Jackson. [1-4-2005]

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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9sec65stang
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posted 01-10-2005 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 9sec65stang        Reply w/Quote
hey alex why did they dq jim kuntz

Moneymaker
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posted 01-10-2005 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Allowed cylinder head issues as I understand it.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28

The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

Tom G
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posted 01-10-2005 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom G        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Allowed cylinder head issues as I understand it.


Now I know why you took the trip to Arizona to scout out that motor? Huh?

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bluestreek
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posted 01-10-2005 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek        Reply w/Quote
Any news when it will be auctioned and televised. I need a new motor for my lawn mower.

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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH

Moneymaker
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posted 01-10-2005 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Barrett-Jackson later this month.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28

The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

f100cleveland
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posted 01-11-2005 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for f100cleveland        Reply w/Quote
That would make a pretty stout street/strip engine. I just wonder how much it will end up going for? Hey Alex, so would that 408 make MM faster or is your "289" makin more power than that? I know your engine is making some serious power, but just wondering what the difference is.

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9sec65stang
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posted 01-11-2005 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 9sec65stang        Reply w/Quote
the 408 would put him in the 9s easy

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