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Topic: What will it make and what will it run?
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BLACK65FORDFALCON
Gearhead Posts: 131
From: Sidney, B.C
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 12-03-2004 04:29 PM
   
I would like to get some opinions on my new combo. I would like to know how much horespower and torque I will make at the flywheel? I also would like to know what it will run in the 1/4 mile, Using 235/60/15 BFG drag radials? Below is the specs/combo;302 bored 30 over (306)
Edelbrock RPM heads (1.9 intake/1.6 exhaust)
Edelbrock 600 cfm carb
Edelbrock RPM intake
Crane roller tip rockers (1.6 ratio)
Comp cam 270H magnum
K&N air cleaner
MSD billet distributor
MSD 6al box
MSD wires and blaster2 coil
9 to 1 compression
Hedman shorty headers
2.5 inch exhaust with H pipe (no tailpipes)
Flowmaster mufflers
Richmond 4.11 gears
Centerforce dual friction clutch (11 inch)
4 spd toploader tranny This is in a 1965 falcon, 2900 LBS. I was thinking that it would be close to the edelbrock performer RPM package (367 HP), Maybe around 340 HP? I was also thinking that low 13's should be a safe bet. What does everyone else think? Also anything that you would change to my current combo, I would like to here some input in regards to why you would? Thanks for any input/help/ideas or suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 1888
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-03-2004 05:08 PM
not to rain on your parade, but my guess would be 320ish.
the edelbrock is 9.5:1 compression, the rule of thumb is about 9hp per point.
also the shortie headers will be hurting performance a bit too.no clue on 1/4 times, any suspension work so far? sounds like a fun ride  [This message has been edited by Dubz (edited 12-03-2004).]
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 913
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-03-2004 09:57 PM
Does sound like a real fun street ride.  You don't mention a posi unit. If you have an open differential, you'll spin one wheel alot. If its a 9 inch, there are several units that could be used. I kinda like the Detroit locker. KV has one in his street car and I always thought the noise going around corners was neat. Also, is the toploader wide ratio or close ratio? I'd think close ratio for a realtively small motor would be better. They did put a lot of wide ratios in 65 Stangs with 289s from the factory which I always wondered about.  I had some Chebbies in my younger, dumber days with close ratio Muncie 4 speeds and short gears. 327s wind up quick and that close ratio box was perfect. Anyway, that sounds like a Falcon that would be great fun for cruising and the occasional trip down the track.  ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1724
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-03-2004 11:25 PM
I would say 250-260 rwhp and very capable of low 13's or high 12's with traction upgrades. (posi rear, traction masters or cal tracks, correct driveshaft geometry, adj. shocks, etc.)
I had a similar mild street/strip setup many years ago except I only used mildly ported stock heads, and worked it down to 13.30's at 100 mph. My suspension and drivetrain wasn't working too well back then. ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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BLACK65FORDFALCON
Gearhead Posts: 131
From: Sidney, B.C
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 12-04-2004 02:01 PM
Dubz - 9 hp per .1 point of compression seems really high? Did you mean 9 hp per one full point of compression?Dad Vishus - It is a 8 inch open rearend. In the new year I am going to upgrade to a posi unit, a holley 650 DP, And 3/8 fuel line. That should make a big difference. Any more horespower guesses or 1/4 mile times would be appreciated. Thanks once again.
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Catmando
Gearhead Posts: 181
From: Vermilion, OH USA
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 12-04-2004 02:28 PM
I ran a stock bore 302, GT40p heads, B303 cam, 650dp carb, and T-5 and 4.11 rear gear. 89 Fox body, 2850lbs. It went 12.80's @ 104ish on Micky Thompson Sportsman Pros, (a treaded street tire) which were I think 28x9. I have no experience with your tire, but I think you will make even more power with the aluminum heads, so I will say 12.73et!!!!!!
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-04-2004 03:58 PM
Yeah, the Jimmy Carter peanut carb will cost you HP!  ------------------
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 1888
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-04-2004 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by BLACK65FORDFALCON:
Dubz - 9 hp per .1 point of compression seems really high? Did you mean 9 hp per one full point of compression?
9 for a full point i guess. popped a combo into desktop dyno and gained/lost 25hp for a full point however. so it's anyones guess really.
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jeffstar
Gearhead Posts: 123
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 12-05-2004 10:15 AM
I ran a simmilar combination a long time ago, but with slicks. It will depend a lot on traction and how willing you are to drive it hard.As mentioned the wide ratio toploader will make a big difference, 13.6 to 13.2 for me no other change. Later I:
changed cam to a solid
4.11-->4.33
600-->750 carb
dropped the clutch at 7000 rpm, power shifted and went 12.7 @107
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 723
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-05-2004 03:08 PM
My 67 fastback weighs 2920 (no driver) with 3/4 tank and full back seat and trapdoor. 3.89 gears w/c t-5 340hp FRPP crate 5.0 small long tubes 2.5 and X pipe flowmasters 600 holley rpm airgap 1.90 60' 13.25 1/4 268rwhp last dyno run BTW had wrong intake gaskets (too small) installed on motor at dyno torq 286 ftlb peak hp at 5200 cam is FRPP B303 Compression 9.0 You should be up near 300-310 at the tires. You should be able to run 12.70's with a locker or spool------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS engine RPM Air Gap 600 Holley ceramic coated headers T5, cable clutch Flows X Pipe 3.89 9". Clearwater Aqua GT Clone Vintage40 series 16X8 225 front 255/50 rear drag radials 13.25 @ 103mph [This message has been edited by Tom G (edited 12-05-2004).]
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