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Topic: ? for Alex on 4100
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bluestreek
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From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-03-2004 12:15 PM
   
Do you run a 1.08 or 1.12 4100 Autolite? ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH [This message has been edited by bluestreek (edited 01-18-2005).]
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-03-2004 01:31 PM
We use the 1.08 Autolite carb on MM as required by NHRA/IHRA rules.
Rules dictate OEM carb that was originally available on engine claimed!
Unless you have a GM car (Edelbrock replacement Q-Jets and non computer carbs on computer engines), Mopar car (Jimmy Carter Competition Series replacments), or a 67 Shelby GT-500 (bogus letter from Carroll Shelby). 
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bluestreek
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From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-03-2004 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
We use the 1.08 Autolite carb on MM as required by NHRA/IHRA rules.
Rules dictate OEM carb that was originally available on engine claimed!
Unless you have a GM car (Edelbrock replacement Q-Jets and non computer carbs on computer engines), Mopar car (Jimmy Carter Competition Series replacments), or a 67 Shelby GT-500 (bogus letter from Carroll Shelby).
I figured you were running the 1.12(625?). So basically it's like they're forcing you to run a restrictor plate. What a bummer! 
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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-04-2004 03:54 PM
We manage.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Mr. FoMoGO
Journeyman Posts: 68
From: Ga. USA
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2004 08:53 PM
Alex are you trying to say Carroll Shelby does not know what he put on his 67 Shelby GT500??????lol.lol.lol.
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1724
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-18-2005 09:46 PM
How do the secondaries work on these things?
I found one in a junkyard without a tag on it. Bought it for $25. Looks like it had a recent rebuild, and has a C6 and a 1.08 cast on the side. Sure are some tiny butterflies!  ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-18-2005 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. FoMoGO:
Alex are you trying to say Carroll Shelby does not know what he put on his 67 Shelby GT500??????lol.lol.lol.
Everett, you know as well if not better than I do, that there were no solid lifter, 12 to 1 compression, aluminum intake, 850 Holley carbureted, C80E-N headed, 428 67 GT-500 Shelby Mustangs.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-18-2005 10:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
How do the secondaries work on these things?
I found one in a junkyard without a tag on it. Bought it for $25. Looks like it had a recent rebuild, and has a C6 and a 1.08 cast on the side. Sure are some tiny butterflies!
They are vacuum operated.
The secondary diaphram is at the back of the main body.
It looks like a big accelerator pump.
There is a long thin rod that connects from a lever on the diaphram to the secondary linkage on the passenger side of the carb. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1724
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-18-2005 11:26 PM
Thanks Alex. Please send me some blueprints so I can hotrod this little thing!  ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-19-2005 12:17 AM
Sure. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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F570rd
Journeyman Posts: 81
From: mpls.mn.hennipin
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-19-2005 10:36 AM
Jimmy Carter competition series....You boys
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Hemikiller
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From: Killingworth, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 01-19-2005 01:10 PM
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there were no solid lifter, 12 to 1 compression, aluminum intake, 850 Holley carbureted, C80E-N headed, 428 67 GT-500 Shelby Mustangs.
ooooohhhh, I think I know who you're talking about Alex. Did they used to run a 351 71 'stang? BTW, you have any write-ups on 4100 mods? I have a couple that I'd like to play around with......
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bluestreek
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posted 01-19-2005 06:46 PM
I like the looks of this carb. Should make for a very sweet alternative to a 2 barrel. Nice oversized boosters and dedicated idle circuits should really be efficient. It could definately stand to lose some fat in some areas to optimize airflow though. Looks like Ford had a better idea way back then. Shame they didn't stick with it longer and make a big 4100 mechanical DP. They look way better than a Holley except for size.------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-19-2005 07:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
. Looks like Ford had a better idea way back then. Shame they didn't stick with it longer and make a big 4100 mechanical DP. They look way better than a Holley except for size.
Actually they did.
FoMoCo engineer went to work for Holley and designed both DP and vacuum versions in the late 80's.
They are great carbs.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
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posted 01-19-2005 07:50 PM
And now I know The REST OF THE STORY.  ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Kyle
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From: Sumner, WA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-19-2005 09:47 PM
Alex, are you talking about the 4010 series carbs?
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-19-2005 11:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle:
Alex, are you talking about the 4010 series carbs?
Yes.
Virtual 4100 Autolite duplicates, only better.
Tony and I met the engineer at Memphis in 1988 and had a long conversation with him about the carbs. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
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posted 01-20-2005 09:45 AM
What are those little tubes for, that extend down into the front and rear boosters? Are they necessary.
The only numbers I could find on my carb are 6Z E on the ear just below the 1.08 casting. I had to be either a Mustang, Falcon, or Fairlane, right?------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-20-2005 11:17 AM
They are signal sensing tubes.
It is probably a 66 low compression 352 carb.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
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posted 01-20-2005 12:16 PM
Here's a pic. Does it look familiar?
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-20-2005 12:32 PM
Yeah, very familiar.
Looks like most 1960 and up automatic choke, manual trans 1.08 Autolite carbs. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
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posted 01-20-2005 01:26 PM
I didn't even bother to think that there were versions for auto tranny, manual choke. I grew up around Rochester, Carter, and later Holleys, and these are a lot different.
I checked out the Pony carb website and had no idea they charge $120 just for a core and $310 for a restoration!------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.50 @ 116 mph (7.33 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
DanH
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