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Topic: Going to look at a 351C w/Toploader, what should I look for
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-27-2004 12:42 PM
   
I know about the basic engine condition things but this the first Cleveland I'm looking at to buy (or hopefully swap for). I��m going to look at a 351C / toploader combo and need to know what to look for. As far as the heads go, the casting numbers are in the same area (under the intake port) as other small blocks? 2V and 4V heads would have a 2 or a 4 in-between the valve covers and the intake? Would there be any info under the valve covers? There is and Edelbrock intake and a Mallory distributor on it so that��s probably not much help. Its in a 69 fastback right now but it is originally an S-code car and that is why the guy is selling the engine and trans.------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 872
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 10-27-2004 06:02 PM
> As far as the heads go, the casting numbers are in the same area (under
> the intake port) as other small blocks? 2V and 4V heads would have a 2 or
> a 4 in-between the valve covers and the intake? Would there be any info
> under the valve covers? Casting codes (e.g. DOAE, ARD1AE, etc.) are located on the underside of one
of the middle intake ports and foundry marks (CC or CF for U.S. heads)
are located in the rocker arm area. The Aussie closed chamber heads I've
inspected all have a sundial mark in the rocker arm area but Steve Liebenow
has inspected Aussie heads without the sundial mark. The forum software will likely remove the formatting but I'll do an ASCII
of the middle intake ports and foundry marks (CC or CF for U.S. heads)
are located in the rocker arm area. The Aussie closed chamber heads I've
inspected all have a sundial mark in the rocker arm area but Steve Liebenow
has inspected Aussie heads without the sundial mark. The forum software will likely remove the formatting but I'll do an ASCII
picture anyway. You may or may not be able to identify the cylinder head
by means of raised numeral located as shown below: intake side
numeral here --> -------------------------- <-- and/or over here
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| O *O *O *O *O 2| <-- smaller numeral
-------------------------- possible here
exhaust side where: O - represents a head bolt hole
* - represents a sparkplug hole
The larger cast-in raised numerals are located on the intake side at the top
corners, near the valve cover rail. U.S. 351C-2V and 351C-4V heads will
usually have the raised letters. Boss 302 and 351M/400 heads may not.
Aussie 2V heads may not have the numerals on the intake side but the four
that I inspeced have a smaller raised numeral on the exhaust side, down low
near a corner head bolt. The odd thing is that three of the Aussie heads
have a raised numeral 2 and the fourth has a raised numeral *4* (but it
still has 2V ports). I've heard of 3's as well. Furthermore, Steve Liebenow
has inspected Aussie heads that didn't have any raised numerals in this area.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-28-2004 07:53 AM
Thanks Daniel!Anybody know what to look for on the 4 spd? I don't think I'll be able to drive the car but should be able to see and here it run with probably taking off a cover or inspection plate if possible.
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Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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Riley
Journeyman Posts: 73
From: Jefferson City, MO, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 10-28-2004 05:51 PM
Toploaders have a metal tag. David Kee's site has a decoder, print and take that with you. Toploaders have interchangible tail housings; if you buy the wrong one it won't bolt into your car. David Kee's site also has a tail housing casting number decoder. For some help with inspecting a used toploader see "buying used toploaders" under tech page at http://www.toploaderheaven.com[This message has been edited by Riley (edited 10-28-2004).]
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-28-2004 11:16 PM
I've got that infor but what about the clutch? Can I tell it's ok by looking at it? This should be all mustang stuff since it was working in a 69 S-code Mustang. The guy is going back to a 390.------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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