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jsracingbbf
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posted 08-12-2004 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I run a 4.56 now, I think it might be too much. Reasons: having trouble getting the car to hook. Crossing through the lights at 7500 rpm. Any one think like me aht a set of 4.11's might kill some of that low end torque? I still have a 500 HP nitrous system I havent used yet, so I am wondering if the 4.56's are just too much?

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Fastymz
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posted 08-12-2004 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry maybe this site will help.

http://www.gounitrax.com/UNITRAX/pages/ratio.html

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Dad Vishus
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posted 08-12-2004 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry,

Lots of the big H.P. bowtie guys around here are running 4.30s. Don;t know if you think that might work in your car, but might be worth thinking about.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 08-12-2004 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about if they spray it a little bit? would a 4.30 make that much difference from a 4.56? Thanks for the web site Scoop. I actually have a link to another one that is similar. I guess it gets a little more complicated than just plugging in numbers to a formula when you're moving your power band around.

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steve'66
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posted 08-12-2004 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry,

I'd gear it lower than that and let the converter eat.

3.9-1 with your big a$$ motor isn't out of line. Especially with the n2o shot! Good luck,

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Dad Vishus
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posted 08-12-2004 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
what about if they spray it a little bit? would a 4.30 make that much difference from a 4.56?


Good point. Might not make that much difference. Going 7500 through now, a 4.30 wouldn't drop it much then when you spray it, you'll pick up RPM again.

To be honest, not many guys run nitrous around here anymore. There used to be alot, but now its big motors. Big torquey motors in light cars.

I assume you run alky, so are you going to enrich with alky or gas for the spray?

Seems like there are a couple schools of thought on that.

3.89 seems kindof tall, but who knows?

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jsracingbbf
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posted 08-12-2004 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve that would move my SLR ( Starting line Ratio) from a 8.02 to a 7.23 if I used the 4.11. That does get me closer to 6. The 3.89's sound WAY wrong but they could be just right considering.

SLR= low gear X rear gear

Don't they say most short stroke/ high rev motors like 11 or so and long stroke/low rpm motors like 6-10?

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steve'66
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posted 08-13-2004 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry,

Gear it for trap rpms and the SLR will take care of itself. Look at the high gear only 'glide cars, the converter is eating and the launch is mild. Not saying you should do that, but a low slr isn't all that bad especially with your big h.p. and torque numbers. Add a 500 shot and you're really off those SLR stroke/weight charts! Those charts were developed before aftermarket heads, and before nitrous. A 500 shot is like adding 2"s of stroke to your already wicked motor. Just something to think about.

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kid vishus
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posted 08-13-2004 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a 4.11 is what it needs (at least that's what I would put in it). Several guys up around my father's area still run that gear ratio in light cars with big motors. One in particular that I talk to almost on a weekly basis, says his car leaves soft, but runs more mph than some diggers 2-3 tenths faster than him. He is currently running 8.30's NA, but it only leaves with a 1.17 60' time. However, unless I'm mistaken, he is running in the mid 160 mph range. And he's talking about spraying it now.

I had read somewhere before that on anything really fast, a SLR over 9 or 10 was way too much. Even on my car, the SLR is 12-1 and several guys have told me that is just killing the tires and is way too steep, even though my car isn't real fast.

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Dave_C
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posted 08-13-2004 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry,

It's apples vs oranges here since my dragster is much lighter, but I run a 4.10 gear. That's with a 33X16.5 tire.

Works great in my case for the 1/8. If I were racing on the 1/4 I would install a 3.90 gear. My converter is on the loose side (6100 on the brake) and with 4.10's it would turn a little more rpm in the 1/4 than I'm happy with.

Another apples vs oranges story: A buddy of mine has a 69 Mustang with a mild 460. It had 4.56 gears, C-6, 28" tire, 4500 PTC 10" converter. He races it in footbrake brakets around here. Last year we decided to take it to Bowling Green for the NMRA race and run brackets there. Since that is 1/4 mile we swapped the gears from 4.56 to 3.70. Those were the only gears we had. To our surprise the car only slowed .02 in the 60', ran the same in the 1/8 (7.20's) and we were now able to run the 1/4.

These big engines like to eat unless they are in a lightweight car like mine. (Mine thinks it's just an overgrown SBF, LOL)

Later,
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n2oMike
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posted 08-13-2004 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are redlining it at the line without the bottle using 4.56's... you'll definitely need less gear with a 500hp nitrous blast!

If you use the bottle taking off, you won't miss the 4.56's.

Weren't you having problems with traction after you got the fuel straightened out already? A 3.91 or 4.11 gear will make things a bit more manageable. (especially on the bottle)

I'd probably go with the 4.11 if you still want to run it much off the bottle. If you want to concentrate on huge bottled passes, the 3.91 might be the ticket.

I'd start off a bit less than 500hp though, regardless!

Good Luck!

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jsracingbbf
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posted 08-13-2004 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found a set of 4.11's in great shape for 75 bucks. Local racer and good friend, just to experiment with. This all sounds like great info.

LOL@ Mike saying "wouldn't start out @ 500hp shot right away" That's a huge understatement. Mike I had those Plates built to sell them, not run huge nitrous. I'm skeered of that Happy Juice.

I'll stick it on the car, maybe use one of the 4 timers in the delay box to run a 75-100 shot in high gear IF needed. It will STAY a NA car for the most part.

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