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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-16-2004 02:36 AM
   
When do I need to think about subframe connectors and which ones to use ?I've been pushing my car aliitle more each time out. I noticed there seems to be a lot of flex from the left front tire to the right rear. ------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1652
From: Sierra Vista ,Az USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-16-2004 08:14 AM
Now would be a good time to get them because your 351 has more torque and will put more twist on the subframe. C.E. bolt on is the best then weld them in. Alex says its the best fit. Bruce
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bud4660
Gearhead Posts: 528
From: Mesquite, Tx. M&M #2925
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-16-2004 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
When do I need to think about subframe connectors and which ones to use ?I've been pushing my car aliitle more each time out. I noticed there seems to be a lot of flex from the left front tire to the right rear.
Its time for the subframes and the 6 point cage... 
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-16-2004 12:15 PM
Not ready for a 6 point rollbar yet. The kids would have a heck of time getting in and out of the car. But I think a driveshaft loop and subframes might be a good thing.I can't get over how much more the car twists now. 
I nailed it from about 5 mph and I've been playing with tire pressure and the rear shock air pressure. I think I got it to where it leaves as good as it can with the 245-60-14 BFG street tires. It was like the left front was reaching for the sky and the right rear bumper reaching for the ground .
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JCQuinn@work
Gearhead Posts: 899
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-16-2004 12:39 PM
Better get that subframe connector in quickly or you will be repairing damage.John
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-16-2004 01:12 PM
Ok thanks  Can I bolt in the CE connectors for now and then weld them on too later this summer or early winter. Will the bolts hold ok ? ------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 06-16-2004).]
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Scott (69Mach)
Gearhead Posts: 787
From: Walnut Creek, CA USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-16-2004 03:42 PM
if you can't weld them now, that's what I'd do. Feel free to stop by and I'll weld them for you. The Bay Area isn't that far away...
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65coupei6
Gearhead Posts: 452
From: S.F., CA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-16-2004 10:23 PM
I used the CE bolt ons. They work great and Summit has an ok price on them. I had them welded @ my local muffler shop for $60. I wrote a install article for my club. If I find it I will post it but it is an easy job.------------------
Marco S.
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Ford Inline Performance
MustangIndex-The Classic Mustang Search Engine & Web Directory
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Rustang
Gearhead Posts: 805
From: Clarion PA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-17-2004 11:43 AM
Has anyone ever really damaged their car because of not having frame connectors? I asked because my '67 ran low 11's with none, and no roll bar of any kind. And the floor even had rust holes and riveted patches in it!It left straight, and I never saw any signs of stress on the body. (unless all the putty could be considered reinforcement  ) ------------------
'68 mustang 351 clevor- 10.92@124
'67 Stang, 351W -11.18@118
'69 351C Torino-14.90@100
'78 Pickup 351W-15.56@88
'79 Pickup 460 ET=??
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2690
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-17-2004 12:46 PM
Could it be that the 67 is stronger than the early cars? My 68 twists a fair amount though. Ive heard of Fox body racers wrinkling body panels but could be Urban Myths? ------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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JCQuinn@work
Gearhead Posts: 899
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-18-2004 10:50 AM
I have seen wrinkled panels on a 60's mustang but don't remember which year. I wouldn't take a chance, the subframe connectors are cheaper than straightening a twisted body.
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Stang72
Gearhead Posts: 283
From: Arkel,Zuid-Holland,Holland
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-18-2004 01:01 PM
Hey Scoop,im gonna build my own subframe connectors,...together with a pair of traction bar's but then in the style on competion eng's slide a traks,.. and connected to the subframe conn. i think is quite simpel to fabricate a set of your own,..maybe it's something for you??? when it has some form i'll post some pics.. greetz Ben
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-18-2004 01:08 PM
Thanks Ben, I look forward to seeing them.------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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torino420
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Tracy, California
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-18-2004 05:23 PM
Thats what I have to do since nobody makes them that actually fit for my car. I need to find a place to rent a welder and rent some welding skillz ------------------
69 Torino GT Hardtop
420" Windsor
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sodi
Gearhead Posts: 208
From: Kenosha Wi. USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 06-18-2004 11:19 PM
I bought the ones from NPD went right on with bolts then tack them in. one thing I noticed was when I was putting in new front springs the other day, I jacked the ol 70 mach up beheind the front wheel, by the tourqe box, it picked the whole front end of the ground- evenly- and when I jack the rear right tire up the whole rear goes up . That's what I call RIDGID
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wildfire466
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posted 06-19-2004 10:30 AM
Watch how ya install them... I know of a guy that installed them on his Fox. They used a 4 point lift to raise the car. After welding; the car was lowered to the ground and the doors wouldn't open..
Les------------------
http://www.geocities.com/wildfire1mustang/
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26813
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-19-2004 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Ok thanks Can I bolt in the CE connectors for now and then weld them on too later this summer or early winter. Will the bolts hold ok ?
Yes Scoop, that will be OK. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 459
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-19-2004 05:35 PM
look at my car in the gallery. I welded 2 in. stock from front to back. but had to cut some of the floor pans out to get a straight shot.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-19-2004 06:29 PM
Bill I couldn't find anything about them ?------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 459
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-19-2004 11:42 PM
look at my floor pans real close in 3 0r 4 pic inthe gallery. you will see where it comes threw the pans. maybe not 3 0r 4 juast look when driver side door is open.
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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 459
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-19-2004 11:46 PM
pic number 5 look at the floor pan . in the passinger side gallery. drivers doors open.
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bigblocked85
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: Waterford,MI
Registered: May 2003
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posted 06-20-2004 11:07 AM
Hey Scoop, As Les touched on, I would definately take the time to rest the car in all four corners on stands or blocks and level it. If your using jack stands be careful of what you use for an adjustment spacer while leveling. And use only the frame for stand locations. May all be obvious to some but I've seen worse obvious mistakes before. Good luck and have fun. ------------------
Gordon Ross
85 Mustang GT
466 C-4 mini tubbed
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-20-2004 01:13 PM
Thanks Gordon, I'll get to them sometime this summer.------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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65coupei6
Gearhead Posts: 452
From: S.F., CA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-21-2004 09:27 PM
Scoop: I finally posted my subrame how to on my website. It is really simple but it is there for reference. Here is the link:http://65coupei6.mustangindex.com/tech.html
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Marco S.
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Ford Inline Performance
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20708
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-21-2004 09:29 PM
Thanks Marco ------------------
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4652
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-22-2004 08:47 AM
Just FYI, welding in subframe connectors was the first thing I did to my car, even before I removed the stock A-code 289. See, my plans were to build a poundin' little stroker
I see it this way: Ford engineered and designed this car to accomodate 'x' ammount of power and torque, and if I nearly double the stock powerplant's output, I'd better improve the stuctural integrity of the car to handle it. I felt a difference in the car's rigidity after installing a 4-point roll bar as well (that was just recently). I just didn't want to pretzel my car ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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