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Topic: Least expensive way to get a 9" rear end
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-02-2004 02:20 PM
   
The more I drive my car. The more I think I might hurt the 8" I have now. And before I do that I better start saving for a 9". Whats the best way to go and the least expensive way to go. I don't mind some hard work to save some money. I don't looking at the yards either. but when it's all said and done will I save a lot of money by not just ordering one from one of the rear end shops all ready to go ?------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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Rustang
Gearhead Posts: 627
From: Clarion PA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Whats the best way to go and the least expensive way to go.
Ever see that scene in American Graffiti where they hook a chain to that cop car's axle?  Just find a suitable candidate and a strong parking meter post.
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 4808
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:13 PM
there you go thinking again SCOOP!!! what did i tell you about that!!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 4808
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Whats the best way to go and the least expensive way to go.
oh, you want to know 2 ways to do it!!! 
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mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-02-2004 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by capri man:
oh, you want to know 2 ways to do it!!!
So Rustang thats a great scene but NO 
------------------ oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 06-02-2004).]
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 4808
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:22 PM
ron, i have been drag racing one of those weak, weak 7.5 rear ends behind 340hp and now about 380+ hp for 6 years with no problems. the 8 in far superior to it. unless you are planning on a trams brake, serious slicks, and some 5000 rpm launches, i dont think you will ever have a problem. and if you do, it will probably just be a $179 set of gears. now get back to work and sell a bed!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-02-2004 03:24 PM
Ok thanks Mike I'm off today after working 16 days. I have so many things to do around house. And the computer is in the room I'm working on.  ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:28 PM
Ron,Buy a new housing and 31 splined axles from Moser. Then get a center section from a F-150 at the junk yard with trac-loc. Use your existing brakes from the 8". You'll have to save about $800. SteveW
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-02-2004 03:31 PM
Where should I get the housing from ?Thanks for advice at least now I know how much to start saving. Like it really matters it's always twice as much anyways. ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:36 PM
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 06-02-2004 03:37 PM
Sorry thats what you said the first time. I'll learn how to read one day.
But I'll always type the same way. ------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 03:40 PM
You can try to find a '58 housing but they're getting rare and cost about as much as a new one anyway. When you go to 31 splined axles there is a large supply of pick-up truck trac-loc rear ends in the junk yards.SteveW
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 401
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-02-2004 04:02 PM
This may sound dumb but why not get a housing from a car like yours? Are they to weak? I bought a 9" out of a Fairlane for my Fairlane off e-bay for $200. It is complete drum to drum. It has much larger drums than my 8" so I'm ahead there too. It has 3.25 gears which I may be able to sell.I figure, $129 for Summit gears, $425 for a 31 spline Detroit, $100 for install kit, and $300 for alloy shafts. For a grand total of, just under $1200. That's a savings of over $1000 over ordering one done. Plus if I went to a track lock instead of a brand new Detroit I could likely save another $300. You can also find used gears on e-bay to save a few more $$$ but at $129 it's hard to beat the Summit gears. HTH,
B-loose
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Bloose:
This may sound dumb but why not get a housing from a car like yours? HTH,
B-loose
No dumb, just missinformed. The only cars like his w/9" rears were Shelby GT's.
Talk about rare, the late 1950's wagons and sedan deliveries had the right width 9" housings but they are getting rare too. The last one I bought a couple years ago off e-bay and I "bought it now" for $350 (bare housing) w/28 splined axles. If he can find one of these reasonably priced it is the cheapest way to go, but 28 splined trac-locks are getting rare and expensive too, unlike the 31 splines. SteveW
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mainer
Gearhead Posts: 109
From: Bryant Pond, Maine
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 06-02-2004 08:30 PM
I ordered mine thru these guys. $250 for brand new housing with 3.25" tubes made to the length I wanted. With Moser axels 31 or 35 spline package (bearings studs retainers) $612. They charged me $10 extra to box the spring perches. Beat the best price I could find on the net by $100 and shipped when they said they would.http://www.autoweldchassis.com/rh.ivnu don
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 08:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mainer:
I ordered mine thru these guys. $250 for brand new housing with 3.25" tubes made to the length I wanted. With Moser axels 31 or 35 spline package (bearings studs retainers) $612. They charged me $10 extra to box the spring perches. Beat the best price I could find on the net by $100 and shipped when they said they would.http://www.autoweldchassis.com/rh.ivnu don
That's what I'm talking about! Get 31 splned axles and you can use a junkyard 3rd member and your old brakes. You'll be into it about $800. SteveW
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 2822
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-02-2004 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by steve'66:
No dumb, just missinformed. The only cars like his w/9" rears were Shelby GT's.
SteveW
Steve, you've been messing with your Mopar too much, you forgot the most important cars, any 65-66 Hipo Mustang had a 9", but they have the wimpee yokes. Mike
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-02-2004 11:21 PM
OK Mike,How many of those are in the wrecking yards? SteveW
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65ponycar
Gearhead Posts: 257
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 06-02-2004 11:56 PM
now I feel bad! I put about 800 into my 8" last year to get it up to 'snuff ...could of had a nine inche! oh well, always a next time, right? later, Dan ------------------
'65 Coupe I6
5 Lug Front/8" rear(3.55) & V8 suspension conversion
TCP subframes
Soon to be, T-5 swap---or 302 now?!?!
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wildfire466
Gearhead Posts: 322
From: Cali
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 06-03-2004 01:39 AM
Hi,
I had a link to cheap 9 housings made to order. I can't find it on my computer. Anyways use Google and type in Ford 9 inch rear. You'll get a evenings worth of info. Shop around and you'll find a good price. As far as the stock Posi, I'd skip it for a spool. If you must drive it on the street there are 2 styles of the Detroit lockers.Les PS: The Stock Posi won't live up very well to drag strip tire loading and unloading.
You can contact these guys http://www.tomsdifferentials.com/ As they have a way to remove the spring from the Posi and shim the clutches. I have been told they are experts and so I'd trust them if you call them. ------------------
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 401
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-03-2004 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by steve'66:
No dumb, just missinformed. The only cars like his w/9" rears were Shelby GT's.
Talk about rare, the late 1950's wagons and sedan deliveries had the right width 9" housings but they are getting rare too. The last one I bought a couple years ago off e-bay and I "bought it now" for $350 (bare housing) w/28 splined axles. If he can find one of these reasonably priced it is the cheapest way to go, but 28 splined trac-locks are getting rare and expensive too, unlike the 31 splines.SteveW
Cool, I didn't know that. Sounds like there are some good options for new housings though. B-loose
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ccode67
Gearhead Posts: 2035
From: douglasville,ga,usa
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-03-2004 07:44 AM
Currie housing, $289
Your existing axles and rear brakes $0
A good 28 spline 9 inch chunk +/- $250
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Stuart
MCA #48902
M&M #1091
67 stang 5 speed, 351W,
Edelbrock Performer RPM package my photo page
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4223
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-03-2004 08:37 AM
The 9" under my car is a '57 Fairlane unit, that I bought complete drum-to-drum for $150
I of course put a T-loc and gears in it, swapped out the axles and had to relocate the spring perches. Hey Ron, Strange makes an 8" case that'll hold up to alot of abuse. The weak link in the stock piece is the case and pinion support; Strange re-engineered it and put a bunch more metal where it needs to be. The new case and pinion support is probably around $400. Maybe worth looking into ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4223
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-03-2004 09:08 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34208&item=7902753253&rd=1------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7698
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-03-2004 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34208&item=79 02753253&rd=1
That's the same guy I bought my last one from! Same price too SteveW
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N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1139
From: Spokane ,WA USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-03-2004 08:50 PM
steve that guy lives in boise right I bought my 57 ford 9 inch from him with the 3.55 center and 28 slpine complete but not assembled. Really nice guy..
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2367
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 06-03-2004 09:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mainer:
I ordered mine thru these guys. $250 for brand new housing with 3.25" tubes made to the length I wanted. With Moser axels 31 or 35 spline package (bearings studs retainers) $612. They charged me $10 extra to box the spring perches. Beat the best price I could find on the net by $100 and shipped when they said they would.http://www.autoweldchassis.com/rh.ivnu don
I got my whole chassis from these guys they are the best. customer service too.
Best price and quality rears and frame packages out there.
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JS
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away...and barefoot.
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2367
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 06-03-2004 10:03 PM
I've got a bunch of factory 9 inch parts/ pieces/gears in a crate down in my shop.
Nothing is complete though. Some one could get the whole crate cheap, but it weighs a ton.  I'm tired of moving it from time to time and I hate to just throw the stuff out.
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67mustangdsa
Journeyman Posts: 20
From: Xenia Ohio
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 06-04-2004 08:21 AM
I know its not a 9" but an 8.8 would be a cheap/strong alternative. I got one out of a junk yard for $75 with a 3.55 posi. It was in a pickup truck. I sold the gear and posi for $150 so I made out well. They have 3.25" tubes. I think the ones out of rangers have 3" tubes. Anyway, you can have the housing narrowed by moser for $85 and have them install small ford ends so you use the c-clips and you can reuse your 8" brakes. You would have to buy some axles from them as well. Assuming you can find a rear end like mine, you would have $75 the core rear end, $85 labor to narrow the housing, $70 for new ends, $20 in spring perches, $225 for street axles, plus a little bit more for axle bearings and studs. They are very strong. Mine has held up to some 1.40 60', but I have a spool and big axles. Anyway, 8.8's are plentiful and cheap, plus you don't have to spend money for a center section. Just thought I would throw out a diffent bone.
Shawn
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CHIPSBAD67
Gearhead Posts: 353
From: LOU,KY;USA
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 06-04-2004 11:02 PM
isnt the 8.8 lighter and more efficient than a 9 inch? if you are talking budget, id either beef up the 8 inch or go with an 8.8. 9 inchers as well as toploader prices are getting sick out there. so glad i got my stuff back in the day, wish i had bought a few extras. ------------------
306, 4speed, 4.11's....best 1/8 mile 7.58 at 92mph with 1.72 60ft. PUMP GAS/NO ADDERS/STREET TIRES
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MrXerox
Gearhead Posts: 339
From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-04-2004 11:33 PM
After reading the topic of the post the answer is... Hang out with Michael Jackson, he will show you how
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 5138
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 06-05-2004 01:35 AM
I wouldn't want Mikey Jackson anywhere near my rear end I am doing an 8.8 right now (OK typing, but 10 minutes ago i was) for a Mustang II. I used a disc brake Explorer rear and a second right side axle and shortened the left tube of the housing 3". I used the Explorer U bolts and shock mounts though had to modify the shock angle. This makes near stock width for the II and would be about 3/4" each side narrower than a 65-66. A posi, disc brakes, 31 spline and cheaper than changing gears, brakes and a posi on the 8".
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