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Topic: converter wont fit!!!!
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6652
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-09-2004 06:40 AM
   
i sold a guy a converter that i ran in my car. c-4, 10 1/2 in bolt pattern. he calls and says it wont fit his c-4. says it locks up when he tightens up the bolts. of course the first thing i ask is, was it seated properly? (3 clicks)he said it was, put it in 3 times. he says the shaft that gos in the trans is about 1 in longer than his old one and the little center piece that gos up in the flexplate is bigger in dia. than his old one. what gives here???? thanks------------------
mike r
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Rustang
Gearhead Posts: 775
From: Clarion PA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-09-2004 08:34 AM
I've had some problems with C4 converters before. Some C4's have an extra (larger) bolt pattern that mounts the bellhousing over the trans pump. The bellhousing that bolts to this larger boltcircle is the large (164tooth?) bell and it's deeper, so it will require a longer converter. If you try to use the big-bell converter with a standard small bellhousing, the converter will be too long, and the BC will be incorrect.You can put a small bell converter onto a large bell trans by simply bolting on the small bell to the trans. However, I don't think you can mount a big-bell converter into a small bell trans  ------------------
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Capri
Gearhead Posts: 1484
From: Lyons, ILL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-09-2004 02:35 PM
Center piece? Mike do you mean the hub that slides into the back of the crankshaft???? I am also assuming you mean the front hub that slides into the front pump over the input shaft is about an inch longer. Is this what the person is saying? Tony
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6652
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-09-2004 04:15 PM
yes tony that is correct. thanks------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1466
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 05-09-2004 07:26 PM
correct, my c4 takes the short pump hub.... I had a stator falure once and when I got it back front getting repaired and installed it there wasn't any tranny pressure. They installed the wrong hub "shorter" and it woudn't turn the front pump. just my luck.
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6652
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-10-2004 08:56 AM
what determines the difference?? year model, engine size or what??? thanks------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1466
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 05-10-2004 08:05 PM
I really don't know... but it just sucks when you get the wrong one, lol. I was told that there are 2 different converter hubs, one shorter and one longer. That's all I know.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 26513
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-10-2004 08:20 PM
Mike, was his car an automatic from the start?
Maybe if it was a stick and he converted it he left the pilot bushing in????  ------------------
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1466
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 05-10-2004 08:30 PM
Alex, when I sent my convert back to Mike at Yank Converters in AK he sent me back the wrong converter and the hub wouldn't in-gauge the front pump. I asked him what was the deal was and he told me that there were 2 different converter hubs and I needed the one with the long hub. He then asked me to ship the converter I had to someone out west because they needed one with the short hub. I never did ask him what the model difference was between the two... I was just pissed off that I had to R&R the trans again because of someone else?s mess-up. [This message has been edited by Buster (edited 05-10-2004).]
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6652
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-10-2004 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Mike, was his car an automatic from the start?
Maybe if it was a stick and he converted it he left the pilot bushing in????
i really dont know alex. ok i got more info. this converter came with both bolt patterns and you have to cut off the tabs to use it on a 10 1/2 in pattern because the tabs will not go inside the little lip on the flexplate. i remember finding this out the hard way. this converter (the actual body) is thinner than the one that he was running. if you sit both of them on a table, this one is about 1/4 in taller from the table to the end of the front hub because the hub is an inch or so longer.
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mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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