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Topic: Aluminum Radiator Question
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torino420
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Tracy, California
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-04-2004 06:22 PM
   
Is there any advantage to a crossflow vs the old style? Trying to decide on a uninversal radiator or a suposed direct replacement from griffin. I like the dual 1.25 tubes (HP series), they are rated to cool up to 600 hp.
Replacing a stock style 4 core copper.
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69 Torino GT Hardtop
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 20638
From: Reno Nv USA M&M#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-04-2004 06:47 PM
Cross flows cool better  ------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 751
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-05-2004 03:26 AM
The Howe I got from Crites is a cross flow conversion I guess. It has the upper and lower hoses on the same side and the radiator tanks are on the side like a cross flow. What they do is weld a plate half way down the tank with the hoses. This way the water must flow from the pass side to the drivers side and back to the pass side. I really don't know how it will work but it looks like a good design to me.For the price the Crites seems to be a pretty darn good deal. I only have 2 problems with it. 1) the upper mounting plate that came with the radiator mounting kit appears to be wrong. the one I got puts the top of the radiator to far into the engine compartment. I wound up fabbing a new one. 2) Coming up with radiator hoses Neither are that big a deal and I'm sure I'll get it all hashed out soon. I can't wait to get my headers back so I can see if it runs cool now. HTH,
B-loose [This message has been edited by Bloose (edited 05-05-2004).]
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torino420
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Tracy, California
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-05-2004 10:47 AM
Bloose: I'd like to know what you come up with for the upper rad hose. I have the newer style water pump on my motor so the lower is on the drivers side, upper is passenger (like yours). If it's easier you could email me info/pics at [email protected].
One thing about griffin is the "epoxy" some say it can be a problem, but not sure what the deal is, thats the only thing steering me away from the griffins right now.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 913
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-05-2004 10:59 AM
KV and I have been using Griffin radiators on race cars for over 10 years now. Never had a problem of any kind.Bill Mitchell sells them real reasonable. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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torino420
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Tracy, California
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-05-2004 11:18 AM
Thats good to hear, thanks.
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JAAZZY
Gearhead Posts: 800
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-05-2004 01:31 PM
Cross flow radiators are supposed to make the coolant run through fins all the way across the radiator before it can go back into the engine, thus allowing better cooling. In my 65 a crossflow radiator made a huge difference. The 3 core late model crossflow significantly outpeforms the stock style 4 core I had before. I will likely be switching to a 3 core aluminum crossflow soon when I bump th power a bit. With the stock style the car used to get too hot if I stayed still for too long. I dreaded getting stuck in traffic. It could potentially still happen but now I would need to be stuck for so long that it is unlikely to ever happen.
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bifs66
Gearhead Posts: 271
From: Maryland
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 05-05-2004 06:00 PM
I've got the Crites (Howe) 19x22 aluminum radiator in the 66 Fastback. Their mounting kit was just right. I lined the unmodified radiator support opening with hardware store, stick on foam 1/4" door weather stripping; and the radiator fits snuggly against the foam lining on the radiator support. I opted for a true crossflow radiator with the lower hose on the driver's side. This required a 70s type SBF water pump with the inlet on the driver's side to match the radiator. The thermostat housing is a stock 1973 SBF aluminum piece (now polished). The upper and lower radiator hoses are concours correct 1966 289 units. The hoses fit perfectly even though the lower hose is now located on the opposite side of the engine. Fortunately, my 28 oz 70s SBF (4 hole) damper has its timing marks on the passenger side so I can read the timing marks without difficulty. ------------------
Bernie Frank
66 Fastback restomod (12.8 @ 112mph)
85 GT (preserved)
2000 SVT CONTOUR
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 751
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-06-2004 12:55 AM
I'm wondering if they sent me the wrong upper mounting plate? Mine was off by a lot and even the holes to mount to the radiator were wrong. Not that big of a deal like I said though. I already have the new plate and the radiator is installed now, along with the electric fan. I wish my factory upper hose fit. I have a brand new factory replica that I could use but there is no way for it the fit. How did you get yours to fit? Isn't the upper hose located much further the the pass side than the factory radiator? Can you post a picture? If I would have known I was going to need a new radiator I would have went with the DS lower hose. But I just bought a new flow cooler pump and didn't want to buy another. I'm going to make a parts store run in the next few day to try to get the hoses worked out. With the Howe Radiator I'm pretty sure there is no epoxy used when building the radiator. B-loose
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torino420
Gearhead Posts: 117
From: Tracy, California
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-06-2004 10:54 AM
For the upper, maybe check out a 70-71 torino with a 302. I believe they had crossflow radiators so the upper would be further out from the center. Just a thought.
Also, 71-73 mustangs had crossflow style radiators too.
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bifs66
Gearhead Posts: 271
From: Maryland
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 05-06-2004 09:11 PM
B-loose,
I tried to e-mail you ([email protected]) a picture of my Howe installation, but the mail wouldn't go through.------------------
Bernie Frank
66 Fastback restomod (12.8 @ 112mph)
85 GT (preserved)
2000 SVT CONTOUR
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 751
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-07-2004 01:58 AM
Sorry,My e-mail addy is [email protected]. The netzero e-mail is super old. I havn't checked that in a few years. B-loose
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