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Topic: Questions about "W" and stiff sidewall slicks
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XR7
Journeyman Posts: 55
From: north Idaho
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 04-03-2004 11:01 AM
  
I was wondering what the advantages of a stiff sidewall slick are. I believe they are heavier and may quicken reaction time a little and may slow down the mph a bit. Would they have better traction than a regular slick for a hard hitting stick car? I see they have slicks for the stock eliminator sizes that are for stick cars. Are these stiff sidwall or just a different compound? I'm trying to decide what slicks to buy. Thanks------------------
68 Cougar XR7, 428 4-speed, Best ET 7.13 @ 98 1/8, 11.14 @ 124.04 with 1.604 60 ft (with tire spin!) Street legal car w/ full interior. Soon to be updated rear suspension for traction issues!
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 04-03-2004 11:10 AM
The stiff sidewall tires are made with a different construction process and compound.
The stiffer the side wall, the less the tire grows and the quicker the ET.
Softer tires grow and increase speed, usually at the cost of ET.
Best bang for your buck Thor, would be the M/T 9.0 x 30 stick only tire.
Best wear and bite for the money.------------------
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XR7
Journeyman Posts: 55
From: north Idaho
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 04-03-2004 11:27 AM
I have room for a bigger tire! I'm running a 12 X 29 Goodyear now on 10" wheels. I was looking for something near that width and height maybe a little taller. How about M/T 10.5 X 29.5 W or? Thanks
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 22179
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 04-03-2004 11:41 AM
Bigger is not always better!  Actually, the 9.0 x 30 M/T is huge.
It has a larger roll out than your Goodyears and wider section width.
M/T will have a a new 10.5 radial out very soon which will probably suit you just fine if you can wait another month or so.
The "W" series tires stand for wide.
IE: they are about 20% wider, taller, and have a greater section width than their regualr counterparts. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1332
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-03-2004 12:48 PM
On my 4 speed Fairmont, I run 14x32 slicks, and have ran regular M/T, Hoosiers, as well as the stiff sidewall Goodyears. It seems some S/S stick guys like the stiff sidewalls, some don`t. On my car, the reg. M/T`s didn't work all that well with the stick, although they were great with a trans braked automatic.The stiff Goodyears were good off the line, but since they were almost 10 lbs apiece heavier, plus don`t grow as much, they killed almost 2 MPH. So far the best numbers have been with the Hoosiers, although my next set of new slicks will be the M/T "stickshift" slick. Luckily for me, they make these in my size, but other than the 9" "Stocker" tire, & the 14x32, I don`t know that they make them in any other sizes. I know that Jim Waldo & his 2 sons all run the F14 stick compound Firestones (now Phoneix) on their 3 4 speed Stockers. I agree with Alex that a Stocker tire would be the best choice for your Cougar. As for the radial slicks, although they normally help automatic cars considerably, the few people I`ve talked to that tried them on a stick car didn`t like em. With the radials, once they spin, they don`t recover very fast, in other words they keep spinning.In watching videos of my Fairmont, the best runs come with a turn or 2 off the line, sounds like the radials would spin much further, although I have not tried for myself.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 673
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 04-03-2004 02:01 PM
I'm about to replace a set of Goodyear 14 x 32 stiff sidewalls with the same thing. My car hits the tires pretty hard and is heavy and stiff sidewalls seem to work. The old set isn't worn out but the sidewalls have gotten pretty spongy. My 60 foot times bounced around some last year and I'm hoping new slicks will help that. The old ones are the Chili made ones, too, which I think may have been a factor. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5381
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 04-03-2004 05:53 PM
My transbrake car worked much better with stiff sidewall slicks than the normal sidewall tires I have now. I know my car hits the tires relatively hard (6000 rpm convertor, 3 speed trans, 4.86 gear), and the stiff sidewall tire just seemed to work better. And as far as et is concerned, I couldnt tell a difference from one tire to the next, but I sure could tell by how the car would leave.
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popeye
Gearhead Posts: 142
From: midwest USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 04-03-2004 06:52 PM
sooo... how is the handling affected,if at all,having radials on the rear and non radials on front, assuming all "drag only" frontrunners are bias ply ?
popeye------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 22179
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-03-2004 09:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by popeye:
sooo... how is the handling affected,if at all,having radials on the rear and non radials on front, assuming all "drag only" frontrunners are bias ply ?
popeye
It's not effected at all.
You aren't road racing after all. LOL ------------------
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1332
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-03-2004 10:52 PM
DV, I noticed the same thing with the Goodyears. I`ve used 3 pairs of the 14x32 "1984`s", (stiff sidewall), and I believe that the USA made tires worked better than the Chilean versions. Also the made in Chile slicks seemed to get dry rot cracks in the sidewall much sooner than the US tires.I got a flyer from a local race tire distributor last week, and it said that his Goodyears were made in the USA. I don`t know if they all are made in America again, or if he requests only US made tires.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5381
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 04-03-2004 11:09 PM
I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard Goodyear shut down their Chile plant due to, get this, "quality problems", and are now making all thier tires in the USA again. Not sure if it's true or not, but it's seems there are less complaints about Goodyear tires now than when they were positively made in Chile. And I never did hear a good thing about those junk Chile tires.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 673
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 04-04-2004 09:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard Goodyear shut down their Chile plant due to, get this, "quality problems", and are now making all thier tires in the USA again. Not sure if it's true or not, but it's seems there are less complaints about Goodyear tires now than when they were positively made in Chile. And I never did hear a good thing about those junk Chile tires.
I am pretty sure that is true. Some sizes were next to impossible to get for several months last year due to the shutdown and relocating of the production lines. My new ones are yellow letter. I was a little surpized to see that. I thought just the bigger ones were going to have yellow letters. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
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popeye
Gearhead Posts: 142
From: midwest USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 04-04-2004 09:38 AM
Dad V.where did you get your slicks,what #, compound,size and if you would'nt mind how much $ and do you use tubes?
popeye ------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 22179
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 04-04-2004 11:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard Goodyear shut down their Chile plant due to, get this, "quality problems", and are now making all thier tires in the USA again. Not sure if it's true or not, but it's seems there are less complaints about Goodyear tires now than when they were positively made in Chile. And I never did hear a good thing about those junk Chile tires.
It's true. Goodyear ceased production of race tires in Chile last year.
We had trouble with the Chile tires also.
Could not be balanced.
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Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 673
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 04-04-2004 08:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by popeye:
Dad V.where did you get your slicks,what #, compound,size and if you would'nt mind how much $ and do you use tubes?
popeye
I got the 1984 number again. 14 x 32 stiff sidewall, medium compound.Ended up getting them form Summit, about 270 ea. I think plus shipping of course. That price is a little cheaper than any other brand from Summit for that size. We tried Hoosier soft compound 14W x 32 once. The soft compound works great till the weather gets hot. They don't work real well then and more burnout makes em worse. No tubes. KV thinks I should put tubes in them to make the sidewalls hold up better. He could be right, but I'm not spending the $$ right now. Cheapo, ya know! 
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63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1332
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-05-2004 11:05 AM
I don`t run tubes either, unless I get a hole in the slick. Patches don`t seem to work very well in a drsg slick. There are a couple of reasons I don`t like tubes. One is the Natural rubber "race" tubes are damn heavy, about 10 lbs apiece for my 14x32`s. Secondly, when I did use to run them, I would have the rear wheels/tires balanced, but after a while I would get a vibration, that continued to worsen with more passes. I`d take them back for rebalancing, & they would be out a huge amount. I`m guessing that with the low tire pressures, the tube would move arond inside the slicks, throwing the balance off.No tubes, no problem, although I normally run more pressure while tubeless to hold up the sidewall better.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
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