|
Author
|
Topic: Powerglitch
|
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-28-2004 10:17 PM
   
I tried to race Friday night and the effort was futile. The General wouldn't hear of it. General Motors that is. A $75.00 Transbrake solenoid shut me down.
I know it's not specificlly a GM piece but it somehow seems fitting that it was associated with the almighty highly revered Powerglitch  Transmission.
The solenoid burnt up. It wasn't 6 months old, less than a dozen passes. Count them less than 12. Spare you ask?
It WAs my spare. No one at the track had a spare. All spares were at home on the spare tranny. 
What Jerry Knows about a Powerglide.
lesson 1.
A. Everyone says they are "off the hook" meaning "all that"
B. You couldn't prove it by me.
C. If something is gonna fail, it'll either fail because of the glide or as a result of the glide.
D. They say there is nothing to them inside of the case ( simple) and I believe them. From what I gather you spend $3000.00 making them bullet proof. They also say this is cheap compared to a built c4. E. A $75.oo part will ruin a good racing operation's day at the races in 3 seconds flat. F. Everyone who runs them has a spare at the shop except me, key word here is "At the shop" not at the track. G. The "experts" ( GM boys in the know) tell me I am lucky I haven't broken a planetary yet and that will happen next. Gee thanks that's comforting. Finally, I know ya'll are tired of hearin me b*tch about the powerglide. skip the post, take a walk whatever, but until I can beg borrow or steal a total change out, to something better then..... I'm gonna gripe about it because it plain out SUX.
Will it get me down the track? yeah I reckon, but it reminds me of that Old GMC truck my Dad had, it'll run but you have to babysit it.
Ok I'm off my rant now, got a new solenoid coming hope to be ready for Test and Tune Thursday night.
------------------
JS
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
IP: Logged |
67nightmare
Gearhead Posts: 118
From: rose hill, ks, usa
Registered: Mar 2004
|
posted 03-28-2004 10:32 PM
Just my opinion but you should've stayed all FoMoCo. GM running gear only complicates stuff.I don't if you'll find the answers you are after here either, with this being mustangsandmore.com and all.
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-28-2004 11:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 67nightmare:
Just my opinion but you should've stayed all FoMoCo. GM running gear only complicates stuff.I don't if you'll find the answers you are after here either, with this being mustangsandmore.com and all.
thanks for pointing that out to me pard.
I need a buddy around here! 
BTW Welcome to M & M JS
IP: Logged |
mustang68mustangs
Gearhead Posts: 454
From: pittsburgh,pa.usa
Registered: Jul 2001
|
posted 03-28-2004 11:06 PM
JINX!
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-28-2004 11:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mustang68mustangs:
JINX!
Man I hope not!  You could be on to something though! You wanna race? LOL ------------------
JS
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
IP: Logged |
N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1404
From: Spokane ,WA USA
Registered: Apr 2003
|
posted 03-28-2004 11:49 PM
Sorry to hear about that Jerry. But a Call to JPT will cure that.
Bruce
IP: Logged |
Billy Mac
Gearhead Posts: 824
From: S.Ga
Registered: Aug 2003
|
posted 03-29-2004 12:16 AM
It sure would be nice if SOMEBODY made a tranny brake valve body (pro tree style)that was a STANDARD pattern...NOT Reverse pattern.....for a C-4 AND a C-6!!!......Until they do....The Glide is a necessary evil.....(besides....at least in MY car....it was worth over 2 tenths in the 1/8th mile.....and over a 1/2 second in the 1/4)
IP: Logged |
Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 968
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
|
posted 03-29-2004 12:16 AM
Jerry,I had one stick once on my Mustang. It was also a two wire. I had re-installed the trans (don't remember why it was out). It's not supposed to matter which of the two wires is + or -, but it did matter in this case. I reversed the wires on the re-install and the solenoid stuck. I caught it before it burned up. Reversed the wires back to the original position. Never had the problem again. Later,
David Cole ------------------
557 BBF Powered, alcohol injected rear engine dragster. 4.90 @ 143 1/8 mile. 1.09 60'. I've got to be crazy to drive this thing.
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-29-2004 12:25 AM
That's strange Dave, I'll check into that. It shouldn't matter on a DC coil? Heck I'm supposed to know this stuff... I do electronics for a living BUT it could be, something new? or maybe the way it is wound?
I'll call BTE tommorow. it's worth it to NOT burn anymore up. Thanks for the heads up. 
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-29-2004 12:28 AM
yeah what Billy Mac said!
IP: Logged |
kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6098
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 07:05 AM
What's wrong with reverse pattern? I think it's safer. You don't have to EVER worry about going into neutral instead of high.
IP: Logged |
capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 07:10 AM
hey jerry, give this guy a call.http://www.godleytrans.com/pages/product_pages/ford_trans.html ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
IP: Logged |
rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1426
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
|
posted 03-29-2004 10:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Mac:
It sure would be nice if SOMEBODY made a tranny brake valve body (pro tree style)that was a STANDARD pattern...NOT Reverse pattern.....for a C-4 AND a C-6!!!......Until they do....The Glide is a necessary evil.....(besides....at least in MY car....it was worth over 2 tenths in the 1/8th mile.....and over a 1/2 second in the 1/4)
Hey Billy, What's the downside to reverse pattern? I assumed it was better.  Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Father & Son built w/M&M Help :cool:
IP: Logged |
Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 836
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
|
posted 03-29-2004 12:43 PM
Jerry,One other thing to consider. With your rather healthy power plant, going from a 1.76 first gear to a 2.42 first gear will make your car come out a bunch different. The chassis setup will have to change dramatically. I'v watched lots of guys try to manage high horsepower cars with 3 speed autos and it usually ain't purty. I'm not crazy about a GM trans in my Ford either, but they are the best choice for many applications. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
IP: Logged |
Billy Mac
Gearhead Posts: 824
From: S.Ga
Registered: Aug 2003
|
posted 03-29-2004 01:35 PM
Some folks might actually LIKE a reverse pattern........I personally like to shift to neutral when I pass the finish line....with a standard set up....you don't have to worry about having to go back "across" low gear....(NOT a pretty site if the shifter hesitates).....specially in excess of a 110 miles an hour (1/8th mile) and 140 (1/4)
IP: Logged |
capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 02:02 PM
billy, the problem is that without a reverse pattern, im subject to shift into neutral (or reverse!! ouch!) before i get to the finish line!!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
IP: Logged |
kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6098
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 05:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Mac:
I personally like to shift to neutral when I pass the finish line....
I do that every pass even with the reverse pattern valve body. It's pretty easy and is no big deal. Even when my car ran good, and was running 108 mph 1/8, I used to do that.
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 05:25 PM
Jerry,Couldn't you have foot-braked it? Sorry about your troubles, my c-4 has been flaweless, t-brake and all. Knock on wood, I hope I haven't jinxed myself. SteveW
IP: Logged |
cracing
Gearhead Posts: 340
From: Saltillo Miss. USA
Registered: Jan 2002
|
posted 03-29-2004 08:17 PM
Jerry stay with the single wire type, newer 2 wire are not as good IMO. My cousin has 5 of them that lasted from 5 passes to 18. My old single wire unit has been there since May of 97. Tell you how simple a PG is,I drilled another case for the TB,added a dual ring servo piston, new clutches, lip seals, band, etc. & did it myself 2 weeks ago.Total cost- $141.00. Reason for rebuild? I installed the dual ring servo piston with the teflon rings & they went flat allowing fluid to bypass it reducing pressure on band causing it to slip & destroy band & clutch drum.Last season was first breakage, pump gear shattered in Feb. & ate planetery set in July. Pump was $200 & stole the planetary set from a round tracker. He wanted the 1.82 set I had in core trans. & I wanted the 1.76 He had. Ran quicker at Fulton than ever a 5.89, another 5.89, a 5.90, a 5.86 & another 5.89 with a .495 red.
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-29-2004 08:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Jerry,Couldn't you have foot-braked it? Sorry about your troubles, my c-4 has been flaweless, t-brake and all. Knock on wood, I hope I haven't jinxed myself. SteveW
Steve, not with a Pro tree brake. As long as the solenoid was in, you had no low gear, if you take it out, you have no reverse.
dilema
Bob, sounds like you got it hooked up pretty strong givin them fits over at Fulton.
I'll try to find a one wire solenoid and give it a try also.
ON the going to neutral/ reverse thing with a forward pattern shifter. Mine wont let me shift up past 2nd without some serious wrangling, it's a safety feature. It's one of those "sissy" shifters LOL the new solenoid should be here tommorow, I'll have to look around for a older one wire type to keep for a spare. Thanks!
------------------
JS
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 03-29-2004 11:01 PM
Jerry,Thanks for the lesson, and good luck with the new solenoid. SteveW
IP: Logged |
TomP
Gearhead Posts: 5761
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
|
posted 03-29-2004 11:40 PM
Here we go...http://www.jericoperformance.com/ Solving Powerglide problems for nearly 25 years!
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 03-30-2004 05:23 PM
Jerry,Do you have it wired through the shifter's reverse switch? SteveW
IP: Logged |
kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6098
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 03-30-2004 06:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Jerry,Do you have it wired through the shifter's reverse switch? SteveW
I had mine that way for about 4 passes. I hated it. It banged so hard every-time it went into reverse, I was afraid it was going to break something. Plus, since I shift it myself, the first time I put just the slightest bit of side pressure on the shifter while in low gear, it tried to activate the 'brake. That wasn't any fun either.
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-30-2004 07:44 PM
Steve, No I don't have it wired that way. I have a toggle switch next to the shifter.
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 03-30-2004 10:01 PM
Jerry,Mine is wired that way and I got to thinking that if we left it in R the solenoid would be energized the whole time. The solenoid is over two years old so I guess we don't do that very often.
Good luck and I hope you get it figured out! SteveW
IP: Logged |
654212spd
Gearhead Posts: 131
From: st.louis mo usa
Registered: Apr 2003
|
posted 03-31-2004 12:28 PM
sorry guess stupid topic here blaming the tranny because he couldnt race it was a electrical problem not the tranny and 3000 dollars on a glide made for a pro 5.0 car or super street car **** mine has stock internals and runs in the 9s
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 03-31-2004 06:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 654212spd:
**** mine has stock internals and runs in the 9s
Not for long LOL JS
IP: Logged |
kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6098
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 03-31-2004 06:57 PM
I've seen A LOT of 10 second cars break factory planetaries. Stock internals in a 'glide are weak. Not fiction, just fact. But then again, most of us know how to use punctiation so our sentences make some kind of sense.
IP: Logged |
capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
|
posted 03-31-2004 09:10 PM
boy, im glad yall knew what he was trying to say!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
IP: Logged |
Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
|
posted 03-31-2004 10:42 PM
FYI, a standard full roller race JPT C-4 with standard low gear set is less than $1000 Jerry.
We have one of those in our convert and it has well over 500 passes on it with no more than fluid changes every 50 runs or so.
Also, JPT does powerslides too.
They sell trans brake solenoids reasonably for all makes. I keep a spare with me at all times (right KV? )------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
IP: Logged |
Billy Mac
Gearhead Posts: 824
From: S.Ga
Registered: Aug 2003
|
posted 03-31-2004 11:13 PM
Richard Godley is babysitting MY spare solenoid........come to think of it...he's had it for over THREE YEARS!!!!....Hey RICHARD!!!!
IP: Logged |
capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
|
posted 03-31-2004 11:16 PM
billy mac. surely ypu did not tell him that you wernt in a hurry!!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.33 @92mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
IP: Logged |
Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2060
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 04-01-2004 04:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
Here we go...http://www.jericoperformance.com/ Solving Powerglide problems for nearly 25 years!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
TomP, I LUV YOUR RESPONSE!!  Ryan
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 04-01-2004 04:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!TomP, I LUV YOUR RESPONSE!! Ryan
You two guys are the manual tranny Nazi's. SteveW
IP: Logged |
Billy Mac
Gearhead Posts: 824
From: S.Ga
Registered: Aug 2003
|
posted 04-01-2004 09:30 PM
CapriMan.....I seem to recall saying "No rush".......but Damitboy.....!!!
IP: Logged |
steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
|
posted 04-01-2004 09:38 PM
IP: Logged |
jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2751
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
|
posted 04-02-2004 12:31 AM
I fixed it. new solenoid
Wow this post went on a long time. Cool!
JS
IP: Logged |
Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2060
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
|
posted 04-02-2004 10:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
You two guys are the manual tranny Nazi's.
SteveW,
You say that like it's a bad thing.....
IP: Logged |
Mustangsandmore Forums
