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Topic: Timing gears
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-23-2004 09:54 PM
   
I bought some gears for my cleveland but i was told that you cant use the fuel pump eccentric on some gears, then again this person is running a windsor. Is it the same for a cleveland? Also, whats the best way to install the gear on the cam, I mean the right way, because although hammering it in seems like the right way, most of the time it isnt  
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4413
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-23-2004 09:58 PM
Not sure on the eccentric deal, sorry If the tolerance is that snug, try heating the gear in boiling water for 10 minutes or so. WEAR GLOVES, but the heat should expand it to facilitate a more gentle install  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4413
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-23-2004 09:59 PM
Hammer + internal engine components = NOT GOOD  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6220
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-23-2004 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
I bought some gears for my cleveland but i was told that you cant use the fuel pump eccentric on some gears...
I've never heard that. Nor have I run into any issues with any of the brands of gears I have run.
What brand is it you bought? [This message has been edited by kid vishus (edited 03-23-2004).]
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-23-2004 10:06 PM
I didnt hear that i couldnt use it for MY engine but was concerned when i heard my windsor buddy say he needed an electric pump for his pete jackson. I also have a pete jackson.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6220
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-23-2004 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
I didnt hear that i couldnt use it for MY engine but was concerned when i heard my windsor buddy say he needed an electric pump for his pete jackson. I also have a pete jackson.
Considering gear drives eat hp, and are not good on valve-train life, I haven't run one, nor will I ever.
I guess it's possible with them, but I really don't know.
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-23-2004 10:13 PM
Just to make sure, as this is my first engine. It goes:1) cam
2) cam retainer
3) Bronze ring/gear
4) eccentric ???
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-24-2004 12:12 AM
Anyone out there running gear drives that can tell me if i can run a mechanical fuel pump?thanks
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N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1586
From: Spokane ,WA USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 03-24-2004 01:24 AM
May I ask why a Gear drive other than they sound like a blower. You are transfering harmonics you cant hear what the valve train is telling you and the suck up the horsepower. My .02 says get a double roller timing chain and then you have no issues, period. bruce
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wildfire466
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posted 03-24-2004 02:13 AM
Dump the gears on E-bay. I seen a crank destroyed at the keyway due to harmonics.Save yourself an engine and get rid of 'em! Les ------------------
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1466
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 03-24-2004 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by wildfire466:
Dump the gears on E-bay. I seen a crank destroyed at the keyway due to harmonics.
Very true wildfire, that happened to me and I was using a Pete jackson gear drive. The gear drive didn't damage the crank, but it broke the key. Although, if I had run it longer it would have.
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Rare67
Journeyman Posts: 16
From: Jefferson. MD
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 03-24-2004 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
Anyone out there running gear drives that can tell me if i can run a mechanical fuel pump?
I ran a Pete Jackson on my 289 with a mechanical pump. Needed to use the grinder a bit inside the front cover, and I think I trimmed the eccentric a bit also. In short, yes you can run a gear drive with a mechanical fuel pump. Paul
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-24-2004 12:34 PM
wow i never realized the dangers of a gear drive. I have an old double roller, how much slack can I have to still run it?Aldo
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N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1586
From: Spokane ,WA USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 03-24-2004 02:00 PM
If your gears are good for the double roller set you can get another chain for it.Bruce
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6652
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-24-2004 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
wow i never realized the dangers of a gear drive. I have an old double roller, how much slack can I have to still run it?Aldo
aldo, if they have enough slack to even worry about it, i would change the set. they are to cheap to take the chance of a failure. anytime i can see an oil pump, trans front pump seal, or timing chain set, i change it. i learned the hard way!!
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racing is real
everything else is just a game.
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'69PonyRider
Gearhead Posts: 231
From: Hawthorne, CA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 03-24-2004 02:47 PM
This place is a wealth of information.Thanks guys.
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