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Topic: Custom Header builders
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-15-2004 11:05 PM
 
Anyone know who or where in the Iowa area builds custom headers off the top of your head. We need a set made for the Falcon. Thanks for your help, Steve.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-16-2004 12:01 AM
I'll look into it tomorrow.
Or, call Jay Roeder and ask him if he knows of someone.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 03-16-2004).]
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 856
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 03-16-2004 08:46 AM
I don't know anyone in Iowa, but there is a guy by washington D.C. that does some. He's building a set for a friends cleveland right now. It's MMERacing. There website is mmeracing.com, not much to see there though.------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. 306 with 600 holley, Weiand Stealth intake, headers, Comp cam, harland sharp roller rockers, kb pistons, 10.3:1 compression ratio, pertonix ignitor 2 with matched coil, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 2.79 open 8" rear. Soon to be 9" 3.50 trac-lok
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1153
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-16-2004 09:05 AM
I believe Steve G. told me he bought a Stahl kit for my Falcon. If you could find a kit, it shouldn;t be too hard to find a welding guy to finish them up, I wouldn't think.Bacon could do it if he has time, I'd bet. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-16-2004 07:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
I believe Steve G. told me he bought a Stahl kit for my Falcon. If you could find a kit, it shouldn;t be too hard to find a welding guy to finish them up, I wouldn't think.Bacon could do it if he has time, I'd bet.
Dad V: I called Bacon today and asked him and he has a guy named Tommy Holmes do all of his headers. I looked at the Stahl kit, but it looks like they come bent and everything and all you do is weld them. Thats not gonna work. They have to be built as you go. I also dont understand what Stahl means when they say" Pro Gas with A Arm suspension". We have a Pinto front end, so does that mean we have A Arms. I dont know. This whole thing has me very frustrated. We should just sell the Windsor and buy a 347 stroker. Headache solved. Can you guys give me more header companies. Ive tried Lemons, Headers By Ed, Kooks, ect. The only one close is Stahl, but Im not sure. Thanks, Steve.
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jsracingbbf
unregistered
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posted 03-16-2004 08:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Strain Gang:
Dad V: I called Bacon today and asked him and he has a guy named Tommy Holmes do all of his headers. I looked at the Stahl kit, but it looks like they come bent and everything and all you do is weld them. Thats not gonna work. They have to be built as you go. I also dont understand what Stahl means when they say" Pro Gas with A Arm suspension". We have a Pinto front end, so does that mean we have A Arms. I dont know. This whole thing has me very frustrated. We should just sell the Windsor and buy a 347 stroker. Headache solved. Can you guys give me more header companies. Ive tried Lemons, Headers By Ed, Kooks, ect. The only one close is Stahl, but Im not sure. Thanks, Steve.
Pinto front suspension is an A arm type.
I have a set of Stahl headers that I made from scratch, but they aren't really all that. It wasn't Stahjl's fault though it was the welder. IF you buy a weld up kit get those re-enforcement pieces fron HOOKER called transition pieces, the metal is sooo thin it's hard to weld these things even if you're good. The talent is NOT mocking them up, it's welding them. The transistion pieces fit inside each tube where they join and give you something to weld too. THIS is what I WISH I would have bought for mine BUT I didn't know about them at the time. I like Stahl's flanges because they give you some material to work with. Good Luck! ------------------
JS
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-16-2004 08:46 PM
What about going to a shorty header and making pipes for them? I just thought I would ask.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-16-2004 09:18 PM
I'm working on it. I'll have an answer by tomorrow.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 03-16-2004 10:11 PM
Dougs headers in riverside CA.....he is the original Doug Thorley, builds custom headers and has headers for just about anything. I got a set of 1 3/4 try y-s 3/4 length for my 67 must with a 351w (off the shelf even). Who else makes that? I know for a fact they make them for 351w's in falcons because a guy that works there has one. www.dougsheaders.com if you call there you can talk to Doug Thorley himself.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1153
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-17-2004 09:14 AM
There is a guy locally that can weld them up. He does several sets a year for various racers around here. He just did a set for Buntz out of Des Moines.If you got a Stahl kit, I'm sure this guy could weld em up for ya. He's built 2 McAmis chassis kits and is a magician with a welder. Let me know if you want nme to talk to him. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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bud4660
Gearhead Posts: 542
From: Mesquite, Tx. M&M #2925
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 03-17-2004 09:46 AM
http://www.stans-headers.com
http://www.critesrestoration.com/comet.htm
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-17-2004 10:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
There is a guy locally that can weld them up. He does several sets a year for various racers around here. He just did a set for Buntz out of Des Moines.If you got a Stahl kit, I'm sure this guy could weld em up for ya. He's built 2 McAmis chassis kits and is a magician with a welder. Let me know if you want nme to talk to him.
Dad V: Do you think the Stahl kit would work? A friend of mine is a dealer for VSI warehouse and they said that Hedman makes a set of weld ups, but they had to call Hedman and get the part number and price from them. He will find out tomorrow. I also see that Speedway Motors in Nebraska has a weld up set as well that is only $100, where the Stahl kit is $400. But Im sure you get what you pay for. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. Alex, any words for me yet? What are ya working on?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-17-2004 10:23 PM
Don't by anything Most good builders (not shoemakers) get their own tubing and make their own flanges.
Sit tite another day or so.
One more thing, is Minniapolis to far of a tow?------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1153
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-18-2004 09:01 AM
I honestly don't know if the Stahl kit is the best or best value. The ones on my car fit well and have nice smooth bends. If Alex has a better solution, I would tend to go with that. ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-19-2004 10:45 PM
Dad V: could you give that guy a shout for me and see if he can build a set from scratch, how long it would take, location, ect. Thanks very much, Steve.
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jsracingbbf
unregistered
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posted 03-19-2004 11:48 PM
Steve let us know who you got to do it ok? I need a set built at the end of this season.
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-20-2004 09:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
Steve let us know who you got to do it ok? I need a set built at the end of this season.
JS: I dont even drink and Im ready to become an alcoholic working on this thing. Its been one thing after another. We put our Windsor in the car with iron heads on it and built new motor plates. Then we find out the heads are junk and buy a set of aluminums and then the engine wont fit between the firewall now cuz of the added height of the heads. Then the set of engine plates dont fit now and I am making a new set again. The engine is set WAY back, tube chassis 4 link car. Its just been a pain in the ass, but oh well. The car had a 289 in it when we bought it, and the guy took block huggers and lengthened them out. Sounds like what I may have to do. I will keep you posted. Steve.
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 250
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 03-21-2004 08:20 PM
For those who are interested in checking out pictures of our Falcon with the engine set in the car and the front end off for the purpose of looking at the clearances for headers go to http://groups.msn.com/StevesRCpictures Click on pictures. There is 23 of them. Some are a little discolored from the lights, but will give you an idea of what I am dealing with. Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve.[This message has been edited by Strain Gang (edited 03-21-2004).] [This message has been edited by Strain Gang (edited 03-21-2004).]
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 1153
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-22-2004 09:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Strain Gang:
Dad V: could you give that guy a shout for me and see if he can build a set from scratch, how long it would take, location, ect. Thanks very much, Steve.
He builds them from kits. I doubt that he would want to try from scratch. Not that he couldn't, he charges by the hour and there would be a substantial amount of time there. That is a pretty much standard chassis, isn't it? There has to be a kit that will work someplace. He's located in Fruitland IA, a suburb of Muscatine.  He built the kits for Buntz's car in a couple days.
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63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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