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Topic: New Radiator and over flow tank
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-04-2004 01:33 AM
   
My new radiator is about 3/4" of an inch more thick then the old one. I only had a 1/2" clearence between the black magic fan and the water pump with the old radiator. So what are my opitions now ?
I was thinking of cutting some openings near the top of the radiator brace mount. So I could place the radiator on the front side towards the grill. But I was worried that the radiator cap would hit the hood ? And how would that effect the hose fitments too ?
I'd hate to have to buy another fan now too. But if I do is there one that flows as much as the black magic about 2700cfm, but is more thin ?What have you guys done ? ------------------
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-04-2004 01:36 AM
I've used one of those white plastic over flow tanks. I was looking for something that would work as good but looks better. I saw those black plastic tbe looking bottles at Summit, do they work like another over flor/ recover set up ?
Are they any good thats what I'm asking. 
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mustang68mustangs
Gearhead Posts: 454
From: pittsburgh,pa.usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-04-2004 08:18 AM
Scoop maybe you can offset the fan a little and it might fit.thats what I did.Not sure about the overflow can but I was gonna get the same one.I like those pretty aluminum one but they are too much $$$$.I'm using a big brake fluid bottle up indide the fenderwell now.LOL.
Bob
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2060
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-04-2004 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
I've used one of those white plastic over flow tanks. I was looking for something that would work as good but looks better. I saw those black plastic tbe looking bottles at Summit, do they work like another over flor/ recover set up ?
Are they any good thats what I'm asking.
Ron,
Some do and some don't. Some of the bottles in Summit or Jegs are only collection bottles (that simply have a drain at the bottom) and don't have a siphon tube to allow any expelled coolant to be 'pulled' back into the radiator.... Be a careful shopper and get what you need and/or want! Ryan 
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2398
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-04-2004 11:04 AM
Scoop,
I know that you dont want to go and buy more fans but sometimes two small fans fit easier than one big one. If your new rad is wider you might be able to fit 2x12 inch fans or larger in there and there wont be a problem with the water pump nose. Ive even seen some people grind down the water pump nose for another 1/4 inch of clearance. but thats not very elegant. 2 good 12 inch fans should be able to make up for one good 16 incher. Youll get about 225 inches of fan area - one 16 incher only gets about 200 square inches, so maybe that will help if you can get enough CFM. And if you want to sell the black magic Im your man, I need one before the summer comes.
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'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-04-2004 11:19 AM
The black magic fan shroud is the exact size of the radiator so I can't off set it at all. Phil two 12" fan's won't fit across a 65 radiator they'd be to wide.Ryan thanks because I do want it to be a recover system still. I'll read up on it more. As any one moved thier radiator more forward on a 65-66 with a stock size radiator that was just deeper ?
I think it would work just not sure if it'll be to tall ? How about the 14"or 16" perma cool fan set up it says it pulls 2900 and draws 19amps. It's only 3.25" deep were as the black magic is 4.25" deep. But the permacool unit doesn't have a shroud to it ? ------------------
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steve'66
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From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-04-2004 11:42 AM
Ron,Yes that's how Mel's is, cut slots for the radiator to slide down in front on the radiator support and space it forward with spacers. Steve
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Fastymz
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posted 03-04-2004 12:40 PM
Thanks Steve, did you have any problems with the hoses, or the radiator being to close to the hood after moving it forward ?Thanks again
Ron ------------------
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steve'66
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From: Sonoma,CA,USA
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posted 03-04-2004 12:45 PM
Ron,No problem, you are only moving it 1/2" forward. Up/down stays the same, you'll use the same holes. SteveW
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Fastymz
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posted 03-04-2004 12:48 PM
Thanks again the cap just looked like it would hit. But I feel better now since you cleared it up for me. Any tips or advice on the recovery tank ? ------------------
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-04-2004 01:01 PM
I use Summit's plastic catch cans on both cars. The blue one is almost Ford Blue. Don't bother with a recovery tank.  SteveW
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2398
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 03-04-2004 02:47 PM
Like steve I just run a summit blue catch can. You wont need a recovery system unless you burp fluid a lot, which you shouldnt unless somethings too hot or the cap is bad. If you have a good cap and the temp stays at 190 or below then the catch can is just a precaution.If you get hot enough to puke very often your new aluminum heads may not last long. Mine burps through my stock cap at about 200-205F but only when I switch the engine off and it "afterboils". I dont have experience with edelbrock heads on a SBF but on other cars with Al heads on Iron blocks I have ruined them with one trip to the redzone on the gauge (215-220?). Not trying to scare you but you are doing the right thing to make sure you have your cooling system sorted out before you install that new engine. So what radiator do you have now? For some reason I imagined you had gone out and bought one of them 25 inch summit aluminum ones. ------------------
'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-04-2004 03:48 PM
No Phil it?s a high effience copper brass unit from NPD. It?s a 3+row unit but the the rows are at least twice as large as the rows were in my last 3 row unit. It has more fins ECT, they said it will out cool a four and keep up with must after market two row alum units.My car never got over 210 even in traffic on the 100 plus days. Most of the time it ran about 180-200 on hot days.
It would only punk after shut off and recover that back as it cooled off. Thats why I was thinking of the recovery system. ------------------
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2398
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
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posted 03-04-2004 10:22 PM
Sounds like you have the same rad that I do now. So you only puke when its real hot out and it "afterboils" same as me. Its so rare that it happens to me that I dont worry about recovery but It would be a little better if my catch can would siphon back in... Well anyway good luck with the fan problem. Its sad but since my own project is going so slow im more excited about other peoples on here.------------------
'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 621
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-05-2004 04:28 AM
I use the Summit Racing Black catch can. Very happy with it. It was cheap, is a clean looking install, and lets me pass tech. My car didn't have a recovery system so I just got the catch type.
As for the Fan, this my be a dumb question, but...is it electric? If so, why not put it on the outside, between the radiator and grill and not between the rad and motor. Reverse the electrical leads and it should push air instead of pull. Depending on the blade design it may or may not push the same amount of air as pull, but it's worth a try. It would cost less to try that than to buy a new fan or fans.
HTH,
B-loose
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 03-05-2004 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by indyphil:
Sounds like you have the same rad that I do now. So you only puke when its real hot out and it "afterboils" same as me. Its so rare that it happens to me that I dont worry about recovery but It would be a little better if my catch can would siphon back in...
Phil you have the new large tubed 3 plus row high effiencie radiator too, or do you have a 3row radiator ?
This new radiators core is more thick then the 4 rows I've seen. ------------------
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alanq64
Gearhead Posts: 174
From: missouri
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 03-05-2004 01:44 PM
If his car was getting a little hot it will get a lot hotter by switching the fan to the front of the radiator. Pusher style fans only have at best half the flow and you are also blocking the airflow from outside the car. Pusher styles are only recommended for cars already using a puller style and running AC. Guess I could have worded that better, sounds like I'm talking to one of my kids. Sorry, no offense meant.
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Originally posted by Bloose:
I use the Summit Racing Black catch can. Very happy with it. It was cheap, is a clean looking install, and lets me pass tech. My car didn't have a recovery system so I just got the catch type.
As for the Fan, this my be a dumb question, but...is it electric? If so, why not put it on the outside, between the radiator and grill and not between the rad and motor. Reverse the electrical leads and it should push air instead of pull. Depending on the blade design it may or may not push the same amount of air as pull, but it's worth a try. It would cost less to try that than to buy a new fan or fans.
HTH,
B-loose
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68 coupe
302 w/C4
PS & AC
*update*
I'm getting the parts together for a T5 swap.
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