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jeffstar
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted 02-18-2004 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffstar   Click Here to Email jeffstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know what engines these are used on, where they are located, and what output voltage they give?

I am thinking of adding a knock sensor. I have read that it can be difficult to detect slight detonation.

After reading the blurb regarding ring gap for KBs hypereutectic pistons the part where they warn that if the engine gets into detonation even with a huge ring gap of 0.060 the pistons can hang up.

I use a data aquisition system to monitor/record various parameters: RPM, A/F, temp ect. Adding a knock sensor could also be handy for fine tuning the carb curve

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Buster
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posted 02-18-2004 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I've been away from automotive computer systems for so long I'm not sure if I remember correctly.... but here goes....

A Ford knock sensor works off a 2.5 volt carrier signal and the knock sensor uses the carrier voltage kinda like an antenna for the RF signal it produces and transmits, sorta like a MAP sensor.

Therefore, you can't read the signal with a voltmeter because it will only detect the 2.5 volt carrier signal and not the RF signal that the computer is really monitoring.

There are three wires to that system. The supply voltage is VREF, 5.0v (+ - 0.3) and the Signal Return, which is basically the ground. The third wire is the Knock sensor RF signal transmitting on the 2.5 carrier voltage.

Ford Motor Sport sold a knock sensor kit with a series of lights from green, yellow to red. However, I don't know if anyone still sells the kit, maybe Summit?

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jeffstar1
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posted 02-18-2004 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffstar1   Click Here to Email jeffstar1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info, Not a problem for me to demodulate the knock signal from the carrier. The microcontroller I use can sample in the uS range

I will try to find one, next trip to the bone yard

I don't suppose you remember what color is what for the 3 wires???

What kind of cars and trucks are they used on?

What does the sensor look like?

Where are they located?

Thanks again

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Buster
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From: Orlando
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posted 02-22-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I forgot about this thread....

The VREF wire is orange, the Signal Return is black w/white stripe. and I don't remember the knock sensor color. However, the colors change in the late 90's early 2000's.

Knock sensors are used on all the Fords cars and trucks up to early 2000's, although I quite working on cars after that.

The knock sensor looks kinda like an EGO sensor, but with a larger hex nut.... 15/16" or 1" I think and they can be located just about anywhere...

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Richard Swart
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From: Graham, Wa.
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posted 02-23-2004 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Swart   Click Here to Email Richard Swart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I beleave msd makes one. You can get them though summet.

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