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Topic: Lift bars vs slapper bars
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-11-2004 07:01 PM
   
On my car I have some south side lift bars now. What do you think of them, should I keep them or go with some slapper bars, and are the bolt on or clamp on better ?
I can get a great deal on some clamp on slapper bars but I'm not sure if they are better or worst then what I already have. ------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
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ZEATER
Gearhead Posts: 132
From: Mount Pleasant,IA,USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 02-11-2004 07:12 PM
Cal tracs > slide a links > southside > slapper bars
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32valveGT350
Journeyman Posts: 82
From: Adelaide, SA, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 02-12-2004 04:02 AM
Where do under and overide traction bars fit?
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-12-2004 11:08 AM
Get your converter done first Scoop.
By the way, it is done.  ------------------
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-12-2004 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Get your converter done first Scoop.
By the way, it is done.
THANKS ------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 02-12-2004).]
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FiveOFastback
Journeyman Posts: 46
From: Bethlehem, PA, USA
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 02-12-2004 01:26 PM
I have the SSM bars on my car, they work well but their customer service is NON-EXSISTANT. I broke one of the U-bolts that connects the bar to the leaf after I torqued it too much. Called them multiple times... no answer. Cal-Tracs are soon to come though!
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CHIPSBAD67
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From: LOU,KY;USA
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 02-12-2004 07:37 PM
wouldnt waste the money on slide-a-links, that dough would get cal-tracs. the ssm bars arent better than c.e. slappers, at best they are equal. i like slappers better since the u-bolt is closer to the center of the front half of the spring. i think its helps to preload it there (as well as snubber) and also helps resist wrap up. ------------------
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 314
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 02-12-2004 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by FiveOFastback:
I have the SSM bars on my car, they work well but their customer service is NON-EXSISTANT. I broke one of the U-bolts that connects the bar to the leaf after I torqued it too much. Called them multiple times... no answer. Cal-Tracs are soon to come though!
Yeah 5/16" bolts don't like the 80 ft pounds that the leaf spring U blts are torqued to. 
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MAV
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From: Macon,Georgia, U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 02-12-2004 10:42 PM
What should the stock type U bolts for a 9 inch be torqued to?------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-12-2004 10:49 PM
50 lbs for 3/8
65 lbs for 7/16
90 lbs for 1/2------------------
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 314
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 02-12-2004 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by MAV:
What should the stock type U bolts for a 9 inch be torqued to?
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67 Mustang Shelby clone F/B 302 GT-40X FMS Crate engine 5 spd cable clutch 13.39 on 205/70/14 BFG @104 mph Flowmasters X Pipe 4.11 9". BIG Body shop NOW! 03 Focus ZX3 BORLA exhaust Wings West spoiler (Arrest ME RED)
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Capri
Gearhead Posts: 1254
From: Lyons, ILL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-13-2004 01:31 PM
I would stay away from SSM anything as most of the time their stuff causes other damage to the car. Late model Fox bodies especially. A good set of shocks and front struts with Lakewood slapper bars works very well. Of course on a leaf sprung car, Cal-Tracs are the best, though there are other similar units out there.
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ZEATER
Gearhead Posts: 132
From: Mount Pleasant,IA,USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 02-13-2004 04:25 PM
I run the slide-a-links. 1.63 60' so far. Although not as good as caltracs on the strip they seem to be more street friendly.Since I only run 3 or 4 times a year but drive a fair amount of street miles the slide-a-links made more sense.
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-13-2004 05:40 PM
They are indeed more street friendly than the Cal-Tracs.------------------
Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
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rustang@home
Journeyman Posts: 23
From: Clarion, PA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-14-2004 07:28 AM
A friend of mine put SSM's on his '76 Volare (yep....I said Volare ). When I first looked at the installation I was skeptical. Turns out he don't like them either and he's looking for slapper bars.I've always eyed the caltracs and the slide-a-links, but I'm too da**ed cheap to buy them! Slappers have always served me well. Just make sure they are the good kind that install in place of the ubolt pad, and that they're long enough that the snubber reaches under the spring eye. As far as cost, the set on my '67 were found in a dump,and the '68's were originally off a '55 chebby and purchased for $25.00 at a swap meet.
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CometGT1974
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From: Asheville, NC USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-14-2004 07:51 AM
I bought my first set of Lakewood slappers for $15. They kept the axle from wrapping up as much and kept the wheels from hopping. Other then that, they are a $15 dollar product.....The Cal tracs are the way to go!!
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rustang@home
Journeyman Posts: 23
From: Clarion, PA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-14-2004 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
I bought my first set of Lakewood slappers for $15. They kept the axle from wrapping up as much and kept the wheels from hopping. Other then that, they are a $15 dollar product.....The Cal tracs are the way to go!!
I've seen some pretty fast cars running slappers. IMO if I was scoop in his situation, that $300-$400 (or whatever you'll get in that setup after you've purchased leafs, etc.) would be better spent elsewhere. I've been 1.52 60' on BFGoodrich drag radial P275-60's and slappers, stock leaves. Not saying that's fantastic, but it ain't bad  That extra cash could go towards a cam kit, porting, or something that could gain a 1/2 second or a second easily. The cal-tracs can come later.
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-14-2004 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by rustang@home:
I've seen some pretty fast cars running slappers. IMO if I was scoop in his situation, that $300-$400 (or whatever you'll get in that setup after you've purchased leafs, etc.) would be better spent elsewhere. I've been 1.52 60' on BFGoodrich drag radial P275-60's and slappers, stock leaves. Not saying that's fantastic, but it ain't bad That extra cash could go towards a cam kit, porting, or something that could gain a 1/2 second or a second easily. The cal-tracs can come later.
I agree 100% I have a chance to get some clamp on, not the better bolt on slapper bars for $10. I just wasn't sure if the clamp on type would be better then the lifts bars I have now. The lift bars did help to bring the front end up more. But I worry it's to much strain I don't have my sub frams tied yet and rear end stays rear firm all the time.
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rustang@home
Journeyman Posts: 23
From: Clarion, PA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-14-2004 03:21 PM
If your SSM's are like the ones on the Volare, they contact somewhere in the middle of the leaf spring. This is a big no-no. As it will eventually stress and bend the spring. The contact has to be made under the front spring eye. And don't worry about frame connectors, I think they're over-rated until you get into the 10's or something. My'67 had no roll-bar or frame strengthening of any kind, and with rusted out floors was jerking the wheels and running 7.00's (best quarter was 11.18)
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-14-2004 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by rustang@home:
If your SSM's are like the ones on the Volare, they contact somewhere in the middle of the leaf spring. This is a big no-no. As it will eventually stress and bend the spring. The contact has to be made under the front spring eye.
My lift bars do come right to the eye of the spring. I went and had some bigger u-bolts made for them too. The ones I got with them seemed real small.
I got the lift bars used for free, so the price was great. I also have the leafs clamped, thanks to SteveW.
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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
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CHIPSBAD67
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From: LOU,KY;USA
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 05:20 PM
rustang, what's the drivetrain in your 67? my name will soon be rustlane. looked at the 67 fairlane again today, the one im buying soon. i dont remember the car looking that bad, needs a lot of sheet metal. i guess when it was my buddy's problem, not mine, it looked pretty good. ------------------
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rustang@home
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From: Clarion, PA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-14-2004 05:26 PM
Chips,
In its prime it was a .030 351W, reworked stock rods, stock crank, speed pro domed pistons, '70 heads with 1.94/1.60 valves, heavily ported street dominator intake, 3310 750cfm holley, flat tappet crane cam. Trans was a C4 w/TCI 10" converter, 4.33 gears, and 28x9 slicks. There's a pic of it on the "smokin 'em" page.
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