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Topic: Alky Electric Fuel Pump
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FALCOMANIA
Journeyman Posts: 60
From: Opelika Ala USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 08:47 PM
   
Just wondering if anybody had any luck with Holley blue on alky. Before you tell me I need a belt pump my dragster has one just gonna try my wagon with mild 302 on alky BTW my fuel cell is in front of motor. Car weighs 2850 and runs 7.70s eighth mile shifting at 5800. Randy
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 09:00 PM
Wont work with the blue pump. The alchy will tear it up inside real quickly. The black pump will work though, it is like a blue pump, but is more tolerable of the alcohol. I know a couple of guys who have tried the blue pump and had problems almost right away. A black pump would be more than adequete for what you are doing though. As for electric's supposedly not working with alchy with a rear mounted cell, I have not had any problems with mine. I think that's one of those rumors started by chebby morons who can't get their high dollar junk to run what they think it should. I use a Holley 350 pump with mine, -10 AN line from the cell to the regulator, and since my car has gone 6.18 at a race weight of 2850 lbs, and on a seperate occassion it ran 9.97 in the qrtr with a wounded motor. Sounds like it works pretty well to me since my motor is only 357 inches, and has factory iron heads.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9489
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 09:00 PM
I think you should listen to Rob, he runs alky.  SteveW [This message has been edited by steve'66 (edited 01-08-2004).]
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 7249
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 09:05 PM
randy, i drink alky!! does that count?
do you know how to get in touch with johnny jordan?------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.47 @90mph 1/8
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 323
From: TURKEY/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 09:20 PM
I'm using Holley blue pump on gas with my cheater nos system.Alky needs more pressure like 55psi~
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by V-8:
Alky needs more pressure like 55psi~
Incorrect sir. It has nothing to do with pressure. Alcohol requires more volume than gas, about twice as much. So long as the volume is there, it doesn't care if it is 8 psi, or 12 psi. And besides, carb needle and seats wont tolerate more than 8 1/2 psi, and that's the good alcohol needle and seats. A normal gas needle and seat wont stand anything over 8 psi.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 323
From: TURKEY/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 09:51 PM
I talked about NOS usage.Also they modify carb needle and seats for supercharger applications.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by V-8:
I talked about NOS usage.
 OK, but that's not how I read it.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 323
From: TURKEY/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 10:02 PM
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2004 10:05 PM
Anyways, even with nitrous, it still doesn't require anymore pressure. AND, if you plan on enriching with nitrous, you need more than what a black pump can flow also. It is easier to enrichen for nitrous with gas, even if the rest of the fuel system is for alcohol. 55 psi is something a fuel injected motor would require, not a carb equiped motor.
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 225
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 10:53 PM
Hey Rob, you dont know the part # for a rebuild kit for the Holley black pump, do you? I got one on the Falcon and the guy ran Alky in it and it looked like Vaseline inside. All white, powdery, and the screen you could hardly see through. Thanks, Steve.
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anglia
Journeyman Posts: 45
From: wauseon,ohio USA
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-08-2004 10:54 PM
kid do you run a return line on that carb ?
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FALCOMANIA
Journeyman Posts: 60
From: Opelika Ala USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 01-09-2004 12:08 AM
Mike contact Showtime he knows J. Jordan.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-09-2004 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by anglia:
kid do you run a return line on that carb ?
No, but the pump has a bypass return line on it.
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 920
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-09-2004 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Strain Gang:
Hey Rob, you dont know the part # for a rebuild kit for the Holley black pump, do you? I got one on the Falcon and the guy ran Alky in it and it looked like Vaseline inside. All white, powdery, and the screen you could hardly see through. Thanks, Steve.
Steve, You can get that white stuff out with Brake Kleen. I get a little of that in my filter and it cleans it right up. 
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63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6405
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-09-2004 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Strain Gang:
... and the screen you could hardly see through....
Are you going to keep it on alcohol?
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2904
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 01-09-2004 09:16 AM
Depending on your fuel usage and what you maybe going to later, you might want to consider buying a belt drive fuel pump even for a carb set up. The price is not that much different. Some are much higher, but then again a REALLY good electric pump can cost some major bucks too. You can run a fuel log with a bypass in it and then later if you want to upgrade to two carbs or injection, you'll be half way there.
I did this a few years back when I switched to Methanol and I am glad I went that route. ------------------
JS
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 225
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-09-2004 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by kid vishus:
Are you going to keep it on alcohol?
No, not right now. Everything is set up for gas, so we will stay that route. I would not mind later on down the road though. Will we be ok with the black pump with gas. I guess what my question is, the pump will be okay switching from alcohol to gas right? Hows your dad? Have heard much of him on here. Thanks, Steve.
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Strain Gang
Gearhead Posts: 225
From: Thor, Iowa
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-10-2004 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
Steve,You can get that white stuff out with Brake Kleen. I get a little of that in my filter and it cleans it right up.
Hey DV: I feel like a dumb a** not realizing you posted this. Anyway, the white stuff Im not really worried about, but the rubber gasket under the plate is really deteriorated and ratty looking. Thanks and good to hear from you again, Steve.
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