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Topic: Alex - U/SA?
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JCQuinn@work
Gearhead Posts: 826
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2003 04:03 PM
   
I read a rumour that you are preparing a u/sa car.Any truth to this? If true, what combination? I have a 70 Maverick with a 250 inch six that will make U/SA if I call it a 72 GT. I have kind of kicked this around as something to race with while I build my much more expensive car that probably wont be running until fall of 2004. With that horrible intake setup on the engine I probably should start writing horsepower reduction letters to NHRA right now. Bzzzzzzz John
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-26-2003 10:40 PM
John, we are toying with a U/SA project.
If I can locate a usable 70-71 Torino GT body it will be a done deal.
71 Torino GT 302/210 refactored to 170 HP.
Right about 3500 lbs.
I guarantee I can make that puppy run 13.90 or better ANYWHERE!  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Frank Horne
Journeyman Posts: 11
From: Atlanta,Ga USA
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-27-2003 09:53 AM
I have a friend with a 71 gt torino 351.
new to this site and racing.a friend and i
went down to reynolds last year, watched stockers and supers run,now i'm hooked!
about the '71 torino,what all do we have
to do to run in the u class? is this a good
class with 302? we can get engine and change
to 4 barrel, where are the rules posted?
Mr.Alex, can you help? thanks guys, frank,
atlanta ga.
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Dave Gibson
Moderator Posts: 8967
From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 12-27-2003 10:07 AM
Frank,
Welcome to Mustangsandmore.com! You have found the best place on the net to ask questions and have fun. We do have several members in your area that race! I'm sure they will stop by shortly. Check out IHRA for more info on classes and rules. Once again, Welcome to the M&M extended family!  Dave & Terri ------------------
'65 Mustang Fastback
'02 Explorer XLT
I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!
We have enough youth, how about a fountain of smart?
Common sense is not so common anymore.
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-27-2003 11:13 AM
welcome neighbor!! frank, i think you will like it here. if alex cant answer a question about a ford or s or ss racing then it dont need answering. we have several members around the atlanta area. just watch out for that "thud" guy!! LOL i run in albany most of the time but go to silver dollar ocasionly. i guess you know that we will have a new state of the art track down close to valdosta in march. come on over to the "sams place" forum and introduce yourself. if i can help in any way, let me know. mikebtw here is a link to the new track.
http://sogamoto.com/
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mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html [This message has been edited by capri man (edited 12-27-2003).]
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Fordwiser
Gearhead Posts: 390
From: Metamora, Illinois
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-27-2003 06:40 PM
Hey Alex, how about a 71 Ranchero?Roger
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Frank Horne
Journeyman Posts: 11
From: Atlanta,Ga USA
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-27-2003 11:53 PM
Dave & Capri Man thanks for welcome. I
could not find any engine info at IHRA. How
do you find out what engines are correct?
and can you run a four barrel carb? can anyone help? who do I call or write or E:mail. Thanks you guys for any help! Frank
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1542
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-28-2003 02:28 PM
No, the 302 would need to retain it`s 2 barrel Autolite carb. Before I started on my 85 Mustang M/S car, I had considered building my 78 Fairmont 302 2v into a Stock elim. car, but at that time, NHRA had factored the original HP rating from 139-145HP, up to 200HP! Considering my 85 5.0 Mustang engine was equipped with a hyd roller cam & Holley 4 barrel, & was only at 210HP, it wasn`t too hard to decide which car to build! However, with NHRA pulling 30 HP of the 302 2barrels,I`d be suprised if a few don`t show up in Stock.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 6417
From: doerun, ga.
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posted 12-28-2003 03:05 PM
frank, you might find a litle help here under tech info.
http://nhra.com/------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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Frank Horne
Journeyman Posts: 11
From: Atlanta,Ga USA
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-28-2003 08:38 PM
Capri & Rory, Thanks, I got the NHRA tech,
but I got to get computer help to download
word? my computer will not show engine specs
or car info. Can you tell me the specs that
make a '70-'71 torino 302 in what class, so
I can throw the idea a my buddy Gene. He does
not have a computer. Thanks for any help?
when we get computer and knowledge I will
not ask for so much. Thanks, Frank
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-29-2003 01:13 AM
Hey Frank, welcome to M&M
I can help you with most anything.
For starters here is some of the Torino classicifation stuff.
NHRA and IHRA are both the sme on this car.Click here > http://nhra.com/tech_specs/classification/ ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-29-2003 01:15 AM
I believe that this combination would be a killer in U/SA with some of my "motor magic" and a trick or three that I know.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Frank Horne
Journeyman Posts: 11
From: Atlanta,Ga USA
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-29-2003 11:16 PM
Alex,can you tell me if the '71GT Torino
listed at 20.10 or conv at 20.91 is at the
220 shown in blue also? or the 170 shown
in black? does the 220 or 170 make it a
U clas car? Thanks for help, Frank
my buddy Genes '71 is not a real GT so it
may not matter.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-29-2003 11:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Frank Horne:
Alex,can you tell me if the '71GT Torino
listed at 20.10 or conv at 20.91 is at the
220 shown in blue also? or the 170 shown
in black? does the 220 or 170 make it a
U clas car? Thanks for help, Frank
my buddy Genes '71 is not a real GT so it
may not matter.
Frank, it does not have to be a "real" GT. It just has to be a fast back that you call a "GT". Stick on emblems are cheap. The "GT" is at 20.10 and the convert is at 20.91 The original facotry rating is 210 HP.
NHRA has defactored it to 170 in stock.
That makes it a 20.00 U/SA car. The 220 is the Superstock factor. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Buff Daddy
Gearhead Posts: 353
From: Enon Valley PA USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 01-01-2004 01:10 PM
Wow...Alex vs McCarthy vs Hardy vs Terrance vs Shaw vs Nees vs vs vs....U/SA could be very interesting in 2004 ------------------
Mike Carr
Stock Eliminator, NHRA 1302 / IHRA 1302
Street ET 1302, Quaker City Raceway, Salem OH
22 years old
E-mail: [email protected]
AOL IM: MikeCarr STK1302
"Hookers are headers, NOT street walkers"--Jim Fontana, S/S racer.
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1542
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-02-2004 02:27 AM
Frank, it does not have to be a "real" GT. It just has to be a fast back that you call a "GT". Stick on emblems are cheap. Alex, it seems like NHRA has relaxed their position about "correct" emblems for various car models over the years, doesn`t it? Years ago, I helped a guy with a SS/DA 69 Camaro(427-425HP). He built it from a SS350 street car, and since the Camaro SS`s had disc brakes & a console, he elected to run it as a non SS model,changed the grille & converted to front drum brakes & tossed the console. He went to Pomona with the car in the late 70`s, & was informed that because his car still had the SS emblem on the taillight panel, he would have to remove it! (The base Camaros had a blue "Bowtie" installed there) He ended up removing the SS emblem & covering the holes with a sticker. Nowadays, both of Dan Fletchers 69 Camaro`s (Stock & S/S) have Z28 emblems, even though all the Z28`s were 302SB & 4 speeds, of which his cars have neither. Do you think "Big shot"Professional" sportsman racer favoritism, or NHRA doesn`t care anymore? ------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-02-2004 11:19 AM
They just don't care anymore. There are 66 Fairlanes/Comets running as 66's as are 67/68 Mustangs.
I have even see a 67 Camaro run as a 68.  Back when NHRA gaave a sh*t about SS and stock and we were INDEED the backbone of the sport, they were quite stringent about specific models and years. All of the weight breaks were based on strick manufacturers shipping weights. Remind me to tell you all the NHRA story about my grill horse and my glove box one of these days. 
Talk about picky! ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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mtkawboy
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: Billings Mt
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-02-2004 01:14 PM
I ran a 68 Z/28 D/S Camaro in the 80,s and they checked to make sure it had the 2 piston disc brakes on it which only came on Z/28s & Vettes. Couldnt run it as a Z/28 with drum or single piston disc brakes.They also said I had to run both spoilers or no spoiler. Too bad they never put a magnet on my silver paintd steel Doug Nash 4 speed case. They also said I couldnt run the Hooker Competition headers with the bolt on adaptors so I had to weld the adaptor to the headers. Not quite as picky now I guess
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1542
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-02-2004 03:25 PM
Hey mykawboy, you aren`t Dane MacIntosh, by chance, are you? Back in the late 80`s, I went to some of the Div.6 points meets with a buddy`s 71 Buick GS E/SA. I remember 1 year, when we went to the Boise Idaho race, there was a nice(&fast!) red 68 Z28 running in D/S. Also where I first met Rob Youngblood, who was in E/S with his 72 Mustang, which he later switched to D/S as a 71 Boss 351. Was that your Camaro? Haven`t been back to Boise since.
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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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mtkawboy
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: Billings Mt
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-02-2004 11:24 PM
No, I ran Division 2 out of Miami Fl. Moved to Billings Montana about 20 years ago. We finally have a new strip bit Im too old to bother any more.
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mtkawboy
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: Billings Mt
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-02-2004 11:36 PM
Just so I dont get thrown off here I should add that I have also ran a 69 Mustang Cobrajet stock & SS car, a 427 67 Fairlane 4 dr wagon stocker {rolled it}, SS/E 427 67 Fairlane coupe, and my first stocker a 283 2 barrel 4 speed 59 Chevy Biscayne {in 1967}. These were all in Div 2
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 1035
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-02-2004 11:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mtkawboy:
Im too old to bother any more.
Welcome to the site mtkawboy.You are never to old.
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Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8826
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-02-2004 11:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mtkawboy:
[b] Im too old to bother any more.
Welcome to the site mtkawboy.You are never to old.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, WELCOME! This is the bestest site for us old farts! SteveW
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mtkawboy
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: Billings Mt
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-03-2004 01:34 PM
My old pardner in Ft Lauderdale ,Marty Snowball{cobrajet 428 fairlane & Mustang & 429 SCJ 71 Mustang stocker}still talk about doing it. The brains are strong but the bodies are worn out. The whole stock deal is out of control any more. Better to be a has been then a never was I guess. I still follow Alex and the rest of you and wish you the best of luck.
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Mark T 7724
Gearhead Posts: 152
From: Palmdale, CA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-03-2004 02:27 PM
Alex: If you race U/SA will you have an "Ice Chest" for a weight box? Have a soda and sandwich during the run.....LOL
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Mark T 7724
Gearhead Posts: 152
From: Palmdale, CA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-03-2004 02:28 PM
testing signature------------------
1964-1/2 Mustang SS/L 289 4-Speed, 10.633 @ 124.83. West Coast Money Maker Racing Team Member
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-03-2004 03:33 PM
Oh yeah.
We'll have a BIG A$$ cooler with many soft drinks and adult beverages.
Maybe even a pizza oven too! ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 5761
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-03-2004 03:59 PM
Is this U/SA idea just to give sponsors more exposure? It'll backfire if they fall asleep during runs 
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mtkawboy
Journeyman Posts: 36
From: Billings Mt
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-04-2004 01:28 PM
Id love to see you build the car Alex but the sad truth is they will just move it back to 210 hp as soon as it flys too far under the number. I liked a lot better when you could come up with an oddball combination and dominate for a while. Good luck anyway and I hope you give it a try.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25883
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 01-04-2004 01:47 PM
If I can locate a "donor" body, I will fund the rest. We would do it just to prove a point.
Too many loud talking U/SA guys out there and no FoMoCo's.
Time to increase the competition. I would then return the car to it's owner in tact, less the drive train, unless he/she would want to purchase it. The rest of the work and parts would stay. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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