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Topic: vacuum or mechanical secondaries?
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 06:08 PM
   
hi everybody,
��have got 67 mustang with 3.55 rear gear.A-1 made 2500 stall converter, gm th-350 auto trans.car weight 3222pound +200pound driver=3422pound.
the engine spects:ford 351w bored 0.040,victor jr intake #edl-2981,tfs heads #tfs-51400002,10.5:1 comp ratio flat top ross custom made forged aluminum pistons for use with 250hp nos,headman headers,x-pipe,flow masters,compcams mechanic roller camshaft kit #35-771-8,dui h��h voltage electronic ignition,speed pro rings,federal mogul bearings,roller rockers,200hp nos cheater,standart block,crank & rods with arp bolt,holley street mechanic fuel pump...
note:��cant take & find more than 92 octan fuel
first ��drove my car with my old 750cfm holley #hly-0-4779c.it gone 12.7sec 114mph with 245/45/17 kumho's and 100-150 meters slip .after 1-2 weeks later ��have got some problems with my carb.it start to made back fires,idle stop and lastly it burned because of back fires.then we put my friends 800cfm carb #hly-0-4780c#,it didnt work properly in idle and some times made back fires because he made some things in it by himself.then we took it off.
lastly we put a #hly-0-80509-1# hp series 830cfm carb today and we solve all the problems with this carb. but ��think 830cfm is get too much for engine.note: redline 6600-6800rpm
Q:which type of holley carb would you prefer to me.hp series or ?
Q:vacuum or mechanical secondaries?
Q:how much cfm get enough?
" ��m thinking 750cfm hp series mechanical secondaries carb #hly-0-80528-1"
please help me!!!!!!! ��m going to get crazy  )
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 906
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-03-2003 06:15 PM
i don't understand why we are getting all the "�� in your postshowever, auto trans = vacumm secondaries and why are you running a gm th-350 behind a ford motor??
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 4147
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-03-2003 06:29 PM
his keyboard is probably designed for another language. ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 06:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dubz:
i don't understand why we are getting all the "�� in your posts
because of key board.��m go��g to change �� tomorrow.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 07:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dubz:and why are you running a gm th-350 behind a ford motor??[/B]
first 289 and 4 speed ��throw them and put 351w & c-4 ��broke c-4 3 times in 2 mouths.then ��put c-6 �� was f��e but when ��shot 200hp nos cheater �� burned.��rebu��t �� aga�� �� had broken when shot 200hp nos.
then ��saw some guys made th�� swap. ��bought tc��adaptor kit and a th- 350,��have no problem with trans now.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 07:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by V-8:Q:which type of holley carb would you prefer to me.hp series or ?
Q:how much cfm get enough?
" ��m thinking 750cfm hp series mechanical secondaries carb #hly-0-80528-1"
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 4147
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-03-2003 07:19 PM
a 750 should be plenty v-8------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft. http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 07:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dubz:
auto trans = vacumm secondariesQUOTE]
are you sure? my eng��e ��nt stock...
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-03-2003 08:58 PM
For a big nitrous hit, I'm thinking mechanical secondaries. I tend to think you could use some fuel system upgrades... a lean-out condition would not be good 
Not sure a Holley 'street' pump can keep up.
About the backfiring... under full or part throttle? Where is the timing set at? What is your fuel pressure? What heat range plugs do you run, and at what gap? ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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Tea'sGrabber
Gearhead Posts: 237
From: Seattle, Wash.
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 12-03-2003 10:39 PM
V-8... First things first.. A 200 hp shot on 92 octane fuel is not the best thing to do to all those very expensive parts in your motor... You are living dangerous. You should at the least be using 110 octane race fuel. I myself like the HP series mechanical carbs.Your converter may not be enough... 750 is a good size and work well on 351's...good luck!!!!------------------
Todd 71 Mav Grabber All orig 306 cu.in. Cast Iron heads. Carillo Rods.Best et. 10.71 @ 124 thru the mufflers.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 7010
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-03-2003 10:46 PM
I vote for a 750 dp'r mechanical carb and a timing retard ignition box with the 92 octane fuel. It'll work fine if you pull 6 degrees of advance out of it when the n2o is energized. Good luck and welcome to M&M V-8! SteveW
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 04:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
For a big nitrous hit, I'm thinking mechanical secondaries. I tend to think you could use some fuel system upgrades... a lean-out condition would not be good
Not sure a Holley 'street' pump can keep up.
About the backfiring... under full or part throttle? Where is the timing set at? What is your fuel pressure? What heat range plugs do you run, and at what gap?
i m using ac delco fr1ls coldest ones.0.30 gap.36-38 total advance.fuel pressure 9psi at nos system by holley blue elec. pump.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Tea'sGrabber:
V-8... First things first.. A 200 hp shot on 92 octane fuel is not the best thing to do to all those very expensive parts in your motor... You are living dangerous. You should at the least be using 110 octane race fuel. I myself like the HP series mechanical carbs.Your converter may not be enough... 750 is a good size and work well on 351's...good luck!!!!
you are true .what must i do for use 200hp nos,without troubles ?i cant find more than 92octan here  ?because of this i press the nos button after 3600rpms.i think it reduce risk
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by steve'66:
I vote for a 750 dp'r mechanical carb and a timing retard ignition box with the 92 octane fuel. It'll work fine if you pull 6 degrees of advance out of it when the n2o is energized. Good luck and welcome to M&M V-8! SteveW
thanks,
i'm going to put holley 750hp mech. carb probably.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 05:07 AM
what about mixturing the 92 octan fuel with tolien?
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 05:13 AM
V8 Thumper,
now 9 psi nos fuel pump with regulator,what will happen i increase it 13-14 psi?
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-04-2003 08:01 AM
9 psi is great! Can't run a Holley carb on much more than that without blowing the needles off the seats and flooding it out. Sparkplug choice and gap look good too. In another post, you'd mentioned a DUI unit. Those are notorious for cross-firing . Had a look at the condition of the cap/rotor/coil assembly recently? ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 02:40 PM
ooops.what must i do?reduce dui?what is your ignition?
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-04-2003 02:51 PM
I run the same ignition box as you do (MSD 6AL). I also run the billet MSD distributor along with it, which is what I'd recommend replacing the DUI unit with. I've locked out my timing at 34*; even when up to running temp in the hottest part of the year, my Ford Motorsport high torque mini-starter never has any problem cranking it (as locked out timing can sometimes cause slow hot cranking). If you're experiencing ignition problems, I'd suspect either the DUI or insufecient voltage to the MSD box. MSD does need alot of voltage to operate properly ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2003 03:16 PM
i have got summit protorque starter,it is excellent.
did you port your heads?
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-05-2003 09:07 PM
V8 Thumper;
what did you do to your heads?ported them?
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-05-2003 10:30 PM
Nope, as-cast ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-06-2003 08:17 AM
what is your headers?i use headman headers.
and what is your 1/4mil
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-06-2003 06:25 PM
Headers are Hooker SuperComp #6111
No quarter mile times yet Soon though  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 13447
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-06-2003 06:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
No quarter mile times yet Soon though
SURE   ------------------
SCOOP 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3936
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
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posted 12-06-2003 06:40 PM
I know, I know ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-06-2003 06:44 PM
Don't worry about it, you'll get there. And then you'll be worried about breaking something. Until you stage then you won't care if it all goes to hell as long as you win.  ------------------
SCOOP 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 4968
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 12-06-2003 11:24 PM
Are there many drag strips in Turkey?
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 4968
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 12-06-2003 11:55 PM
I searched and found this...http://www.otospor.com/drag_racing.htm [This message has been edited by TomP (edited 12-07-2003).]
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-07-2003 09:05 AM
http://otodrag.com/
http://www.otospor.com/resim/temmuz2002/42.jpg
http://www.vipspeed.com/cars.htm
http://www.otospor.com/cowboys/67mustang.htm some drag web sites.
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christang
Gearhead Posts: 137
From: Colliers, WV, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-07-2003 12:09 PM
Nice Mustang!!! They RULE!!!Never knew there was so much interest in drag racing clear across the continent! ...Christine
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-07-2003 12:40 PM
there are 4 drag way in turkey.istanbul,izmir,antalya and ankara.drag races starts in april finish in november.10-11 races per one year
i was racing in 2000 with my 289 then 2002 with my 351w.i didnt race this season because i restored my car and decied to make a streetable car brakes,interior,handling,rims,eleanor body kit...also i dont like legal racing i love illegal race because there are too much adrenalins... [This message has been edited by V-8 (edited 12-07-2003).]
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
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Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-07-2003 12:49 PM
Christang,
those pictures are old ones in 2000 and 2002.
i will send new ones soon.there no connections between old and new view.
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 4968
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 12-08-2003 12:39 AM
Christine... i'm across the continent ... he's way the heck on the other side of the WORLD! Thats a very long tow for either of us. Yeah, nice Mustang. Stands out nicely in the crowd of GM cars. I can't read a lot of the site but am trying... figured all but the last 2 words here
"Trick Flow Twisted Wedge Aluminyum 2,02-1,60 170cc. Runner 61cc. Yanma Odas�� [This message has been edited by TomP (edited 12-08-2003).]
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1460
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 12-08-2003 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by TomP:
Yeah, nice Mustang. Stands out nicely in the crowd of GM cars.
That's what I was thinking too!
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1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank, rods and girdle, TFS alum. heads, Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 268 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
11.86 @ 116 mph (7.62 @ 93 mph)daily driver!
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-08-2003 03:33 PM
thanks guys;
yes there are too much gm cars.everybody race with gm cars because it is cheaper,easy to find parts,swapable in each other...
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-08-2003 03:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
figured all but the last 2 words here
"Trick Flow Twisted Wedge Aluminyum 2,02-1,60 170cc. Runner 61cc. Yanma Odas��
yanma odas��in English Combustion Chamber Volume
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 1227
From: Lafayette, IN, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 12-08-2003 03:47 PM
V-8, where are you from In Turkey?
You mentiond a dragway in Antalya. I have been to Antalya, some time ago (I think it was 1993). I was at the city but I didnt know they had a dragway. Nice place. Very friendly locals. Everyone was crazy about guns and roses at the time... One girl I met learned english from watching MTV. Amazing.
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V-8
Gearhead Posts: 198
From: Turkey/Istanbul
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-08-2003 05:01 PM
I m from Istanbul.Istanbul is a historical place.
Yes Antalya is a nice place also a lot of nice places in Turkey like Bodrum,Cesme...
the drag way in Antalya,near the autobahn.
http://otodrag.com/news_full.asp?id=40&r=12%2F8%2F2003+1%3A57%3A33+PM[This message has been edited by V-8 (edited 12-09-2003).]
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