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1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9"

All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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Here is a link.
http://mmeracing.com

I probably wasn't much help to you, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I do have some experience with 351Cs. I expect the 408C to be a blast.

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Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
I don't have the experience with the stroker yet, so I can't tell you many facts. When I started shopping, I was looking for a 393C kit. I was seriously thinking about the Flatlanders kit. Then I saw a special on a 393C kit through Mark McKeown. I called him and after talking for while about my plans, he suggested a 408C and offered it at the same price + custom pistons. I want to keep the compression reasonable so I can run pump gas. I also want to run mid 10s(or better). I think it will be easily done. Mark wasn't crazy about me running pump gas. Call me stupid, but that's what I want. Mark is also doing all of the balancing and it will be shipped to me ready to bolt in. I will still need to get the block machined and honed.

I probably wasn't much help to you, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I do have some experience with 351Cs. I expect the 408C to be a blast.

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Any reason he suggested the 408 over the 393? The ability to use SBC journal rods?

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
My engine builder,a Nascar north champ, is concerned over Chinese Scat stuff,he claims that he has seen a bunch of broken cranks!

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Anything can be broken if it's run hard enough, including LA Entperises crankshafts. Most bracket racers aren't going to be pushing motors to the extremes that a lot of circle track racers do. Personally, I wouldn't worry about a Scat crank, unless it's one of their cheap cast cranks. Then I would be concerned.

I am in the process (hopefully) of building a 377 cleveland. I am using an offset ground factory crank and foresee no problems unless I want to shift it around 9000 rpm. Luckily, I am planning on a max shift point of 8000-8400 rpm (more likely going to shift it around 7000k) depending on which heads/cam I use.

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Originally posted by Mpcoluv:
Any reason he suggested the 408 over the 393? The ability to use SBC journal rods?

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I too think the block will be the weak link after seeing what Kid went through. My local machine shop will do the boring, decking and honing. I aready have the block tapped for oil restrictors, cleaned,durred and filled 1.5" below the deck. When I get the pistons, I can take it to the shop to get finished. Probably in 2 more weeks. Can't wait! In the mean time, I'm building another C4.

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Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Kid and Mpcoluv,The 377 sounds cool and mighty powerful,good luck.I guess I am worried for no reason.I hear so many different things on stroker kits, it can be confusing,every company claims to have the best kit?I want a good quality kit without breaking the bank.I am looking for 450 or so streetable horsepower,with quench heads,I think this should be possible.I am open to all feed back and ideas! Many thanks! Perk351C

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Ok guy's, The strip Dominator seems to be the ticket,however the Funnelweb seems to have better numbers,so there website says.I have never seen a price posted for one,does anyone know how much $$$?Have any of you guy's tried one? Thanks,Perk351C

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I haven't tried one. However, I am not a fan of new, unpoven expensive parts that the only place you can find positive info about them is from their website. Several guys have run them and really liked them, but I don't know what they are comparing them too.
In theory, the raised and filled ports should work wonderful, but in reality, I can't honestly answer. For a hot street/strip car it should be better than a normal single plane. But I really don't know.

As for price, I think you are looking at around $400-450 for it. And I don't know if that includes the stuffers for the heads (they are required to make it work properly.)

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Kid,Finding a Strip Dominator is like finding hens teeth these days.Thanks, Perk351C

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It's been hard to find them for years. And usually when you do find one, they want a bloody fortune for it. I got lucky when I found mine and only paid $200 for it. It was unported at the time, but isn't anymore.

My kit is setup for the 9.2" deck height. The rods will be 6". That means the pistons will be in the neighborhood of 1.2" I think Rays block is also 9.2"

MM(Mark McKeown not Moneymaker) is doing the rotating assembly only. Myself and my local shop (Richmond Performance Center) is doing the block.

Mark McKeown initially offerd his basic assembly for $1550. That's with a forged Scat crank and Scat H-beam rods and forged pistons. Since I am getting a lower compression and more cubes, The pistons are custom and a little more money. Again, Mark is also doing the finish and balance and also supplying the rings bearings and damper spacer. The setup will come ready to install.
You really should call him for prices. His $1550 price was a special and may not be good as of now.

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Clevelandstyle,Correct me if I am wrong.The stock Cleveland is 9.2,aftermarket is 9.5.So,I can stroke my stock C block to 408,but I can't use a Flatlander kit?

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Sorry getting into this so late ... baby on the way is taking lots of time.

But you can buy all the parts you need for a 408C through Flatlander separately. Don't think you have to get the kit. I actually found that if you add up all the parts (Scat Forged Crank, Scat H-Beam Rods and Forged JE Pistons-#206069) it comes out cheaper than the Kit price. You can get the above for a 393C for about $1450.

BTW if you call Scat they will give you the part numbers of their parts for a 408C using a 9.2 deck height. I think you need a 4" stroke crank with 6" long rods for the 408 in a 9.2 block.

I was going with the 393 just because I can get off the shelf Forged JE pistons (#206069) for it without ordering customs'. Mine is being torn apart right now. Parts will be on order soon.

Here is what Scat emailed me back when I asked them what Scat parts I need for a 393C stroker:

"HI BRIAN, THE PARTS YOU WILL NEED ARE : CRANK # 4-351C-3850-6000, RODS # 2-350-6000-2100 AND JE PISTONS # 206069"

I have found that Flatlander is the cheapest place to get the Scat parts, if you find someone else let me know. The Forged JE pistons are pretty much the same everywhere, $500.

I am not a guru on strokers, I just know what part numbers I need to get me there!

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They also have a Clevor intake that looks real good. I have a nice set of V4C heads that I've always wonted to install on a "W" engine. However, I've never seen an intake manifold that I really liked, untill this one. The only down side I see is, I think they only offer the Clevor intake in the 2V port size.

I think a 4 X 4 bore/stroke setup with this manifold would make some real power and look good to. I've always like the looks of the "C" heads and valve covers.

I'm going to e-mail them and see if they have a "W" manifold with the 4V port size. They show the Clevor manifold but it's not in the price sheet.

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Clevelandstyle said he is paying him $1550 for the same thing?

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It was a "special" price BUT......I had to pay extra for the custom pistons since they are no long off the shelf items. The total will NOT be $1550, but it wasn't going to be much more. I haven't gotten the total bill yet. It should be really soon. I think Mark was at PRI last week, so things kinda got put on hold.

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Thanks,Brian for the help,mabey a call to Scat would be good.I called Mark Mckeown,He wants $2000 for his 408C-9.2 kit,thats 4340 crank, h-beam 4340 rods,Ross forged custom pistons,timing set everything balanced.Clevelandstyle said he is paying him $1550 for the same thing? Oh well.Perk

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Doesn't seem like a bad price. If get custom Ross the would be about $150 (about) the off the shelf JE's. Balancing $300 or so. Timing set $90. That puts you at $1990 over Flatlander's 393 parts. Seems reasonable, the other $1550 seems a bit low for the parts and balancing setup, sound like a really good deal.

You can always ask you builder what he wants for the machine and balancing etc. work and have Flatlander ship the parts to the shop for you. I have talked to a couple builder about that and it seems there is money to be saved there. This way you can get the timing set, bearings etc for a better package price. If you EMail Flatlander and supply a parts list that you need they will give you a better deal than what is posted on their website.

This is not installed in a block is it??

Buster, I have heard other people also feel the 4X4 setup is the best way to go. Puts less sidewall loading on the cylinder bores with the longer rod (like a 6.125 or so).

For longevity purposes, I think around 1.20-1.25" is about the minimum I would go. And a 6" rod would get you there with a 4" stroke.

All just my opinion.

I see what you are saying, never thought much about that. I will stick with the shorter rod if I go that route. Still tearing down the block, don't know if my crank is still good.

Perk,

Flatlander has a Scat Crank part# (4-351C-4000-6000) standard wieght, 2.1 pin for $549. THey also have Scat H-Beam rods part #(2-350-6000-2100) (Cheby) Rods for $369.

Total of $918 before shipping, your half way there.

Now all you have to do is figure out what pistons you want/need and call Flatlander with the specs and you can order the pistons through them. Or have your builder order them.

You don't need to get "Their" 408 kit, just order the parts separately. Or give Phil Carlino a call over there and he can help you put one together.

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Originally posted by Perk 351C:
Mckeown said around $3500.00 assembled

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By the way, this is about the going rate for a shortblock assembled, Believe me, I have been checking at numerous builders.

The only way to save money is to get the parts yourself.