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Topic: 289 rebuild to monster
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-19-2003 12:57 AM
 
i have a 289 i am rebuilding. with money not a problem, i want the most hp i can squeeze out of that lil ol 289. the car will be street setup not a drag car as it will be a weekend driver and shows. ive heard numbers in the 500's. this would be great. of course i want it to be naturally aspirated. question one is how much will i be looking at to achieve these numbers? question two... i know i am asking alot here but i would sincerely appreciate the help... could someone please help me out with a list from a to z of what i would need to get these numbers.(ill be starting with the bare block, bored .30 over) my email if you can help me out please reply and i will give you my email adress so you can email me the list. thanks in advance for anyone willing to put in the time to do this for me.
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two89w
Gearhead Posts: 338
From: sydney australia
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 11-19-2003 01:42 AM
Street set up with 500hp???
mmmmm very drivable !
How hard do you want to rev it?
7000/8000plus?
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 2005
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 11-19-2003 03:00 AM
Welcome to M&MI think your street hopes are high, 350hp would be a good # to try for if your streeting. (i told you 400 was high on mustangworld, now you want 500!!) if you can pull it off it would be one heck of a motor  [This message has been edited by Dubz (edited 11-19-2003).]
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-19-2003 07:27 AM
500 on a street 289 is real tuff. You couls hide a stroker crank in there to bump the hp up.
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 08:14 AM
www.kuntzandcompany.comThose guys can build you a turn-key motor if you want. Welcome to M&M  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html [This message has been edited by V8 Thumper (edited 11-19-2003).]
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 11-19-2003 09:53 AM
Yes, it depends on your definition of streetable, but 500hp on pump gas, with no blower is not going to be streetable by my definition. Naturally aspirated its going to take a lot of revs to make 500hp, people like Alex (Moneymaker) are doing that in drag cars but these are not street combos. On the other hand they are limited to specific stock style components for the rules they run to. Perhaps you can make it a little easier with expensive aftermarket parts but it still depends on what you are willing to live with on the street.Most guys prefer to stroke the engine to 331 or 347 to get to between 300 and 400hp and remain streetable without Blowers. The torque curve will be fun to drive and the car will cruise nicer on the highway.
Stroked 351 engines or blower motors will make over 400hp on the street and will be more driveable and perhaps more reliable than a high revving 289. I guess the only reason to have a 289 making huge power on the street is so that you can say you have one. Which is reason enough for some people.
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'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 1421
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 09:59 AM
500 STREETABLE hp?
Start with a 351W stroker, say a 408 or so with very good heads.
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-19-2003 06:23 PM
indyphil, you are correct.i wanted one to say i had one. but anyways. lets forget about the 500 hp. i would settle for what some aaid at 300-350. i really want awesome sound. i want it to sound like a beast. someone asks me what motor i have and i say 289 and they cant believe it. thanks for the help
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 07:08 PM
Welcome to MM,
I sure there are more then a few guys on here that can help you. I'd look into the site Todd posted. http://www.kuntzandcompany.com/ Do you want to race your car. Or just have a great sounding street car ?
I think it's smarter to leave to out the HP numbers. And let these guys know what you want from the car.
" i really want awesome sound. i want it to sound like a beast. someone asks me what motor i have and i say 289 and they cant believe it. thanks for the help"
I'd suggest a BIG cam and 3" exhaust pipes with Bullet Ultra flo's. Not sure if the car will run great, but it'll sound nasty. ------------------
SCOOP 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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Bloose
Gearhead Posts: 888
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 11-19-2003 07:09 PM
I personally have a 289 in a '68 Fairlane. The motor specs are,+.030, stock crank -.010 -.010, recon stock rods, E7TE heads, KB116 pistons 10.2:1, Main studs, windage tray, Performer RPM intake, Crane cams [email protected] .497 lift @1.6 rockers, 1.7 rollers w/guide plates, Headman headers, and Hooker mufflers through a 2.5" x pipe exaust. When people here this motor they cannot believe it is a 289. They always think 390. Though thats sort of funny because how the hell can you tell what size a motor is by the fact that it has a moderately rough idle. I always have a chuckle when people say it doesn't sound like a 289. Personally I would recomend the 270H or the next one up (280H???) over the Crane cam I have. Or better yet go to a roller cam for a wider power range. Some good aluminum heads would be a good power investment too. Right now I run 14.1 with an AOD auto, 3000 rpm stall and 4.62 rear gears. On NOS I ran a 13.2 with loss of traction on the line. I would guess my HP to be at ~300 but I never dynoed it so I'm not sure. I think if you went with a bit more cam than me you would be happy with the results. HTH,
B-loose
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9835
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-19-2003 10:31 PM
An awesome sounding 289 isn't hard to build. Just put a 300+ advertised duration cam in it. Now if you really want 500 streetable h.p. stroke a 351w with good heads and the same cam. SteveW
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Bill3888
Journeyman Posts: 52
From: Riverside , Ca
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 11-20-2003 12:19 AM
Got a 289 with 70 W cast iron heads with dyno numbers of 519 and 467 ft lbs - It looks like a stock 289 from the outside - If you want the details I can email them! It is stroked - PS - sound good too!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9835
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-20-2003 12:51 AM
Bill,I'd like to see your combo! Please post it for us. SteveW
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 2005
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 11-20-2003 01:21 AM
I would like to see too
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32valveGT350
Gearhead Posts: 143
From: Briz Vegas, QLD, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-20-2003 01:31 AM
Okay, here are my plans for a 350-380 (depends what software i used to model it) 289 for my car (my new Job is going to open up the cashflow somewhat...) 10.5 comp
E303 Roller cam (yes, the software sez i can get those no's!)
1.6 roller rockers
TFS Twisted Wedge heads
4x48IDA Weber carbs (Gains Both Peak HP and Midrange over a 650DP and a Airgap RPM manifold...)
Longtube headers.
Manages to keep Peak HP revs at about 5,700rpm, so prepped stock rods with ARP bolts (to mimic Boss rods) are up to it. Ben
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two89w
Gearhead Posts: 338
From: sydney australia
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 11-20-2003 05:40 AM
If you want an awsome sound from your engine get yourself some webers......I dont believe you will get any arguments on this forum !
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 11-20-2003 07:59 AM
I like two89w's idea.
You said a "money is no object" build.I might have someone else tune it for me, but I would love to use 4 webers on my 289. Imagine the oohs and aahs when you pop the hood. When I put a new exhaust on my basically stock engine, I had friends watch me burn out some old tires. They swore I had swapped in a 351W. One of them used to own a 66 stang with a 289 A code. he said it never sounded or roasted the tires like that. I think a bad exhaust and cam will go a long way. ------------------
'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 474
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 11-22-2003 07:36 AM
Mine sould be close to 500 or over with a paxton supercharger. dyno coming soon !
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Tea'sGrabber
Gearhead Posts: 276
From: Seattle, Wash.
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 11-22-2003 12:59 PM
I'm 479 hp & 411 to the wheels with 306 cu in. It's plenty steetable and about as crisp sounding as you can get. But,,,,,, @ $5.00 a gallon it gets kinda spendy. Give me a set of 200+ cc heads that fit my pistons and I'd be well over 500hp..... Build a 10- 10.5 to 1 motor with a GOOD set of aftermarket heads and small mech. roller cam and you'll be close to the 400hp mark and be able to run on pump gas.I don't know about the Weber's?? But nothing makes a SBF sound healthier than a roller cam and a little compression!------------------
Todd 71 Mav Grabber All orig 306 cu.in. Cast Iron heads. Carillo Rods.Best et. 10.71 @ 124 thru the mufflers.
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/TeasGrabber.html
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-24-2003 10:01 PM
thanks for all the help/opinions here guys. and bill id love to take a look at those specs if ya dont mind emailin em.
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-24-2003 10:07 PM
btw does anyone sell a stroker kit for a 289 or would i still have to compile my own list of parts to do it?
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N266fords
Gearhead Posts: 1662
From: Sierra Vista ,Az USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 11-25-2003 03:31 PM
The 289 is the same block so to speak in height and width of the 302 or 302 H.O. . so a 331 stroker or 347 stroker will replace your 289 crank rods and pistons. but you have to watch out for rod clearences with the stroker. minor stuff, good luck. Bruce
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-25-2003 06:25 PM
yeah i thought that would work wanted to make sure first. which would you guys suggest, the 331 or 347 stroker kit?
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Dubz
Gearhead Posts: 2005
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 11-25-2003 06:46 PM
if it twer me i'd go with the bigger displacement one can't wait till i put a 427 351W stroker in my car 
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torchred65
Journeyman Posts: 8
From: anderson,sc
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 11-25-2003 08:36 PM
very nice. bigger is always better.
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 11-26-2003 08:48 AM
Some people say the 347 will burn oil and is more of a race style set up. But I think they refer to the piston pin hole intersecting with the 3rd ring groove on the piston (to run a long enough rod the pistons get VERY short).However recently I have seen lots of 347 kits with little steel reinforcing sections on the pistons to protect the integrity of the 3rd ring groove. I think 347 kits are getting better but I dont know enough to make a decision yet. Id love to hear more informed opinions on the subject because its something I am considering for the long term. ------------------
'68 coupe 289 C code
66 heads, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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