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Topic: Some suggestions for new 351C flat top piston motor.
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70coupe Gearhead Posts: 483 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 02:28 PM
I would like to gain some ET without going to a roller cam. I prefer the simplicity of the the solid flat tappet. I would like to go with flat top pistons once again so I can continue to run 100 octane avgas. This will be a new motor, I am putting my other one in the corner for a rainy day. My current best with the motor below is 11.78@112. My car weighs 3235 with me in it. 351c with unported closed chamber heads,screw in ARP studs,severe duty valves,Harland Sharp roller rockers and Comp cams 10 degree retainers and locks. The block is .040 hard blocked with TRW forged flat tops with 10.5:1 compression. The rods are currently stock but have been polished and peened with ARP rod bolts. My cam is a Crane solid .570/.590 with 246/256 duration @.050 and a 108 lobe center. Intake is currently a single plane torker (would prefer a Holley strip dominator or Parker funnel web). Carb is a 750 HP pro series carb with a 2" HVH super sucker spacer. Transmission is a full race C4 with a manual valve body and tranny brake. The converter is a Dynamic 8" 4500-4700 converter. 9" rear end with 411's Any cam recommendations or whatever let me know, I will be starting on it in the next few weeks. Thanks, Brian
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6405 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 06:26 PM
Here's my suggestions (more so on the "whatever" aspect) ;Pocket port the intakes, fully port the exhuast and clean up the intake manifold itself, especially the plenum area. There's power to be had by doing some port work on the heads and intake. Go up a little in the cam size, Comp makes a solid flat tappet that is 256/266 @ .050 with .589/.606 lift, on a 106 LSA (I think those numbers are correct, it's been awhile since I looked.) I ran that cam for awhile and it worked real well. It ran 10.80's in 2v headed motor with a best of 10.52 shifting at 6800. Maybe loosen the convertor up to 5000-5200 (and hope the chassis can hook it), and maybe change the rear gear to a 4.30. I would bet a 4.56 would be too deep with your tire size.
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70coupe Gearhead Posts: 483 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 07:13 PM
That cam seems to be just about right. The numbers are in the area that I also thought would be good. What compression do you feel would be good for that cam. Would 10.5 to 11:1 be ok?
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6405 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 07:41 PM
Well if I could ever get Comp's online catalog to download, I would tell you exactly what it says about it. Gawd I hate PDF formatted websites! They must think everyone has cable hookup.But, don't hold me to this, but I think it said: "10.5 compression, minimum 3500 stall, good for heavy cars,"....umm....I cant remember the rest. All I know fr sure is my motor was 10.4-1, and it ran real good with it.
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RonnieT Gearhead Posts: 885 From: Port Allen, La. 70767 Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-13-2003 08:51 PM
KV, I have cable so here is the info on that cam. SOLID-Excellent torque for heavy cars, 3500+ stall or 4 spd with 10.5:1 compression. Valve Setting .028 .030 RPM Range 3800 to 6800 Part # 32-644-5 Cam Grind Number 294B-6 Duration ADVERTISED 294 304 Duration @ .050 256 266 Valve Lift w/1.73 .589 .615 LSA 106? ------------------ Ronnie 69 mach1 351W-4V engineless at the time! 70 Torino GT 351C-4v with a "shaker" Mustangs and More Member #23
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6405 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 08:59 PM
Thanks Ronnie I was close. I waited almost 15 minutes, and it still hadnt loaded, so I gave up. I actually though something was wrong with Comp's site.
Either that, or this new modem I installed is really lame. I think it is, it doesn't connect near as fast as the old one, and it takes forever to load pages now. Too bad the old one completely stopped working.
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70coupe Gearhead Posts: 483 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-13-2003 11:27 PM
Well, that looks like the cam to me! Looks like a perfect fit. I dont even think I'll need to cut the pistons but I will check. I will also have some head work done and the intake port matched. Now, to find that cheap strip dominator intake. Thanks guys.
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denny Journeyman Posts: 80 From: Northfield NH USA Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 10-14-2003 12:39 AM
70, I have a custom comp cam in my 73 its 246 / 256 571 605 I forget the LSA maybe 108 or 110 I have flat top Ross pistons some mild porting on the closed chamber 4v heads a stock torquer stock holley 850 Jerico with a 3.08 1 st gear 4.86 gear 28 x 11 slick 3650 # car and driver 11.74 @116.82 Also the car slowed .2 with the 780 vec sec. from my A/SA Fairlane ------------------ D French 67 427 Fairlane(A/SA) 73 Mustang 351c
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allenman Journeyman Posts: 17 From: Allen, TX, USA Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 10-14-2003 12:40 AM
Not to brag but I ran that same cam with 100% stock port heads, Weiand x-celerator, 700dp, and 12.5:1 compression. With an FMX, 2000 stall, 3575 lb car, 4.11 gear I was running 112mph also.I suspect you could use the compression. Your combo seems to be hitting "the numbers" with its ET/MPH combo. I have done extensive porting on the C heads now and have posted my latest results on my website: http://flowmotion.home.comcast.net
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67357C Gearhead Posts: 475 From: Newcastle, WA. Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 10-14-2003 02:21 AM
You've got the same exact guts as mine, I really don't like that crane cam in there!I had a crower in it and the car body rocked too hard for my street liking, so I opted for the crane unit, it really wasn't that much tamer for the work invested. thinking of putting that crower unit back to gain the power back. Crower is a .569-.580 254-258 @.050 with 105 lobe center Crane unit is the same one you got. Thing to remember is when you shorten that lobe center things get real bumpy. quote: Originally posted by 70coupe: I would like to gain some ET without going to a roller cam. I prefer the simplicity of the the solid flat tappet. I would like to go with flat top pistons once again so I can continue to run 100 octane avgas. This will be a new motor, I am putting my other one in the corner for a rainy day. My current best with the motor below is 11.78@112. My car weighs 3235 with me in it. 351c with unported closed chamber heads,screw in ARP studs,severe duty valves,Harland Sharp roller rockers and Comp cams 10 degree retainers and locks. The block is .040 hard blocked with TRW forged flat tops with 10.5:1 compression. The rods are currently stock but have been polished and peened with ARP rod bolts. My cam is a Crane solid .570/.590 with 246/256 duration @.050 and a 108 lobe center. Intake is currently a single plane torker (would prefer a Holley strip dominator or Parker funnel web). Carb is a 750 HP pro series carb with a 2" HVH super sucker spacer. Transmission is a full race C4 with a manual valve body and tranny brake. The converter is a Dynamic 8" 4500-4700 converter. 9" rear end with 411's Any cam recommendations or whatever let me know, I will be starting on it in the next few weeks. Thanks, Brian
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6405 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-14-2003 08:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by 70coupe: Well, that looks like the cam to me! Looks like a perfect fit. I dont even think I'll need to cut the pistons but I will check.
With the domed pistons I was running I had a ton of valve to piston clearance using it. I did use it for a short while in a 4v headed motor, and it also had a ton of P/V clearance. It's best to check, but I bet it will be fine.
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Hans olsson Gearhead Posts: 718 From: Sweden Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 10-14-2003 02:10 PM
70coupe what is your finish line rpm? How much spring pressure do you have?
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- 71 Mach 1 Ram-Air
- 351C 4V 285 HP
- F-G/Stock Aut
- Stockers are way cool!
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70coupe Gearhead Posts: 483 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-14-2003 05:57 PM
My best MPH was 113 but my average is 111. I'm crossing the line at 6900rpm(I know this is too much my converter is slipping and will be rebuilt over the winter). Springs are fresh this year and the ones I removed were all within specs as well. The springs were all around [email protected] and [email protected] ------------------ 351c 4v clsd heads 60'1.580 1/8 [email protected] 1/4 [email protected]
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 2694 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-14-2003 07:42 PM
351C's THRIVE on tight lobe seperations and EXTREMELY free flowing exhausts that allow them to work.If you go with a 104-106 LSA, it will bring the mighty Cleveland to life, but be SURE to have an exhaust with pretty much ZERO restriction... or all that extra overlap will do is cause the exhaust to back up into the cylinders! The carb will turn black in extreme cases, and it won't run for sh*t. Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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Hans olsson Gearhead Posts: 718 From: Sweden Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 10-15-2003 01:31 PM
Our car turns 7200-7400 rpms(114-116 MPH) in the lights.This is with 5.14 gears and 29.5 circ slicks.Our cam is from Lunati and has 106 lsa and a intake centerline of 102. Use as much spring pressure as you dare,we have 180 lbs on the seat. Exhaust is Hooker super comp headers. Best et is 11.62-116 Mph @3600 Lbs Hans ------------------
- 71 Mach 1 Ram-Air
- 351C 4V 285 HP
- F-G/Stock Aut
- Stockers are way cool!
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