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Topic: Blew it up Update.....aka "yuck, I took the motor apart"
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6098 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-07-2003 06:48 PM
Well, the good news, neither head was hit so they should both be alright. The intake is also fine. Umm......thats about it. Oh yeah, I have 6 good rods/pistons also. Bad news, all the valves are more than likely bent. The roller cam was hurt. 2 of the valves hit the pistons hard enough it caused the roller on the lifter to shatter resulting in the cam getting damaged. It can probably be fixed by regrinding it to a small base circle, but, that's just more money on junk parts. 2 pairs of the lifters wouldnt even come out of the block so I left them in there. Of course the block is trash. The trunions in a couple of the roller rockers feel real bad, and more than likely need replaced. The oil pump is trashed, even the pickup tube was broken. The hardened shaft was broke, bent and twisted. The timing chain was broke, the teeth on both gears were damaged. Even the camshaft retaining plate that bolts to the block was destroyed. I'm sure I have forgot stuff, but, the list of "good" parts pales when compared to the list of "bad" parts. I'll send some pics to Steve and maybe he can post them later. It's not a pretty site.
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Scott (69Mach) Gearhead Posts: 734 From: Walnut Creek, CA USA Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-07-2003 06:56 PM
I was trying to think of something funny to say to lighten the load, but it looks like you got hosed pretty good. The best I could come up with is I bet your air cleaner is OK...
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6098 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-07-2003 07:18 PM
I don't run an air cleaner.I did forget to mention that my MSD distributor is ok as are both valvecovers.
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SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 43152 From: Saco, Maine Registered: May 99
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posted 10-07-2003 08:05 PM
Here's kid's pics:
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 2419 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-07-2003 08:22 PM
Something like that scares the sh*t out of me.I can imagine doing that with a 4-speed... and having the rear tires lock up and skid through all the engine's oil at around 100mph or so... ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6098 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-07-2003 08:32 PM
Actually, I bet it got less than a qrt of oil on the track when it broke. It never punched a hole in the pan, or in the block. All the oil that got out exited thru the front pan seal. When the crank broke, it pushed the bottom of the timing cover forward and let a little oil out. And, the motor never locked up. It was ugly, but it could have been alot worse. It could have broke at the finish line, at 107 mph and caused me to crash.
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Mark T 7724 Gearhead Posts: 152 From: Palmdale, CA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-07-2003 10:17 PM
From the third picture it looks like the there was too much "HAY" at the top of the cylinder bore. This should be a tip for the rest of you "Never" overfeed your pony. I'm sorry I'm making light of your misfortune but there is a silver lining you were fortunate to not have got in your own oil, I've seen that happen before and it didn't turn out well. With that in mind I feel lucky that I only spun a rod bearing 2 weeks before the Las Vegas national event that Alex will be attending. Good luck on getting your Pony back together KV I'm sure the good members at M&M will help all they can if asked.
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Dubz Gearhead Posts: 1718 From: Manitoba Canada Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-07-2003 11:25 PM
daum that sucks
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Scott (69Mach) Gearhead Posts: 734 From: Walnut Creek, CA USA Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-07-2003 11:30 PM
Daaayyyyummmm. I could see where you might be tempted to get away from the cleveland after something like this. That's scary.
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jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 2751 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-08-2003 01:04 AM
It'll get better KV next year is coming soon and this season is almost over anyway. time to start anew and contemplate motor combos. I might know where another 351C block is. hang in there buddy, racing is like this sometimes. ------------------ JS 69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 5855 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 10-08-2003 01:07 AM
Pretty ugly, that is some major damage. On the good side, you are O.K. and so is the car other than cleveland, another good thing is, you have KK to help you get over the "Blown engine blues"------------------ JOHN 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK
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christang Gearhead Posts: 233 From: Colliers, WV, USA Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-08-2003 01:08 AM
BUMMER, kidV...BIG BUMMER! Man, I've seen some blown engines in my day, but that's a bad one. Very sorry to see that. Chris's husband.
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Dubz Gearhead Posts: 1718 From: Manitoba Canada Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-08-2003 01:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by christang: BUMMER, kidV...BIG BUMMER! Man, I've seen some blown engines in my day, but that's a bad one. Very sorry to see that. Chris's husband.
speaking of blown engines..... BDS makes a nice setup :P
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jsracingbbf Gearhead Posts: 2751 From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-08-2003 01:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dubz: speaking of blown engines..... BDS makes a nice setup :P
yes they do! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2435394252&category=33741&rd=1 ------------------ JS 69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
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Rustang Gearhead Posts: 733 From: Clarion PA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-08-2003 07:11 AM
That's a sh***y deal Kid, that's where mine broke too, between the first rod journal and #2 main. When I first told Evanuik about the crank breaking,his first question was "did it break in front of #2 main?" He said this seems to be a common point of failure for hi-rpm external balance Ford small blocks. I guess the crank actually tries to bend at hi rpm's, and this is the area where it's "bending" the most, and cast iron doesn't bend ------------------ '68 mustang 351 clevor- 10.92@124 '67 Stang, 351W -11.18@118 '69 351C Torino-14.90@100 '78 Pickup 351W-15.56@88 '79 Pickup 460 ET=??
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ccode67 Gearhead Posts: 2659 From: douglasville,ga,usa Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 10-08-2003 07:32 AM
Ouch.... that is some bad carnage. Windsor cranks are known to break in the same place. Good luck with the parts gathering.------------------ Stuart MCA #48902 M&M #1091 67 stang 5 speed, 351W, Edelbrock Performer RPM package my photo page
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 6098 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-08-2003 08:07 AM
Mark, the hay is tuff to get thru the carb too! Plugs stuff up!Since that crank was run in a block that had the #2 main webbing broke, I'm sure it had flexed quite a bit causing an unseen crack to develop. I still don't beleive it was due to it being externally balanced, and neither does Animal Jim. We both beleive it developed a crack from being run in the broken block and I never caught it (that tends to happen when you don't have them magnafluxed aftrwords.) That is the lesson to be learned here. When a motor is run with any kind of problem, even if everything looks alright, have it all checked thoroughly anyways. Otherwise, this might happen. When KK's brother broke his stroker windsor crank several years ago, it broke at the back, and it did wipe out the cylinder walls. I beleive mine being filled is what kept the bores intact. The real sad thing is, this motor ran the hardest of any I have built so far. And when I pulled it apart, the bearings looked like new, better than any other's previously. It was definatley a sudden destruction, and not something that happened slowly over time.
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fastbackRb Gearhead Posts: 100 From: Columbus,Ga. Registered: May 2002
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posted 10-10-2003 10:07 PM
Hey kid you might want to try and have the next crank cryogenicaly treated (cold treated instead of heat treated). The one in mine was done awhile back have about 1000+ high rpm (8500+ rpm) passes with no wear, tear or scuff marks.The rpm is just bad on the valve train. They say cleveland cranks cold treat very well. Makes them more forging than fordged steel but just as tough. Sorry to hear about the loss of another good cleveland. Rudy
------------------ 70 fastback cleveland 5.80's@117 with a 4 speed lenco (broke it) 69 cougar elimnator Boss 302 84 droptop 5.0 86 hatchback 289 92 explorer 97 f350 dullie power stroke
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