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Topic: Large bearing 9・ axle question
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-04-2003 01:31 AM
   
Does anybody know when Ford changed from the old style to the new style big bearing housings?
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KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-04-2003 06:17 AM
1973 TORINO------------------
I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
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posted 10-04-2003 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
1973 TORINO
Don・t know what you mean by that but this is concerning that 59 big bearing rear I have. It has 5X5・ lug pattern and I was thinking of redrilling it for a smaller pattern for more common size rims. Also still trying to see what backing plates will bolt to it.
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KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-04-2003 01:02 PM
...sheesh...  Sorry, I misunderstood your question. You have that EDSEL rear asm. don't you? (I am an old guy and forget names...please excuse me). I had a chart around here giving the flange sizes and now I can't find it. You want to know what backing plate and drums will bolt to it after you have the flanges redrilled correct? Give me a little time until I find that information. Now where's my walker? ...sigh...
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DidgeyTrucker
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From: Greenbrier, TN USA
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 10-04-2003 03:04 PM
I think there were only three or four flange dimensions. I DO know that the caliper bracket from a 1975(?) MK V will bolt to a 1957 -1979 F-100 axle.Tracy
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68 S-code GT
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From: Sayreville, NJ, US
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posted 10-04-2003 10:59 PM
If you have some kind of chart that will tell me what backing plates I can use, that would be great. I・m pretty sure the flange pattern is 3.500・ horizontal center to center and 2.375・ vertical center to center. The newer style 3.150・ bearing housing has a horizontal of 3.562・ and a vertical measurement of 2.000・. I got these measurements from Moser・s site, but they don・t clarify what is the old style and when the new style started. I know it can be found on Al Gore・s Internet but I don・t have the spare time right now to sort out all of the crap.
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 1046
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 10-05-2003 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:
[B]If you have some kind of chart that will tell me what backing plates I can use, that would be great. I・m pretty sure the flange pattern is 3.500・ horizontal center to center and 2.375・ vertical center to center. The newer style 3.150・ bearing housing has a horizontal of 3.562・ and a vertical measurement of 2.000B]
That's correct. If you have the old style big bearing you can use backing plates from a truck with brake drums from a big Ford car. I did this with my 69 when I narrowed the rear, I didn't want to cut a correct width 9", So I used a rear end from a 72 F100. It had the old style large bearings. I cleaned up and re-used the brake backing plates from the truck. They were for 11" drums. I used brake drums from a 65 Galaxie. The were the large 11" drums, but had the 5 on 4.5" car lug pattern vs the 5 on 5" pattern for the truck drums. Later,
David Cole
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-05-2003 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:If you have some kind of chart that will tell me what backing plates I can use, that would be great.
I have the chart here somewheres. I have been gathering so much information lately that I have seemed to misplace it. I will keep looking. Sorry about this, I usually have something like this at the tip of my fingers. Meanwhile, -this article- may help you along. It is similiar to the poster above experience.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-06-2003 06:26 PM
I have not forgotten or am trying to ignore you. I have that darn size chart around here somewheres... 
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-06-2003 08:35 PM
 Housing End Dimensions Diagram
F G H I Small Bearing Ford
3-5/16" 2" 2.834 3/8"
Large Bearing Ford 3-1/2" 2-3/8" 3.150 1/2"
Late Model Lrg Brg or Torino 3-9/16" 2" 3.150 3/8"
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-10-2003 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Dave_C:
That's correct. If you have the old style big bearing you can use backing plates from a truck with brake drums from a big Ford car. I used a rear end from a 72 F100. I cleaned up and re-used the brake backing plates from the truck. They were for 11" drums. I used brake drums from a 65 Galaxie. The were the large 11" drums, but had the 5 on 4.5" car lug pattern vs the 5 on 5" pattern for the truck drums.
What size brake did both the truck and the Galaxie have, 11 X 2 ・? I think the backing plates I have now are 11 X 2・ and are kind of crusty.
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68 S-code GT
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From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-10-2003 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
1973 TORINO
Is it safe to say that the cars changed in 73 but trucks stayed the same for the big bearing rears?
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-10-2003 10:22 AM
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Is it safe to say that the cars changed in 73 but trucks stayed the same for the big bearing rears?
Well, that's kind of hard to nail down without a lot of lookup in the parts book. Be advised that also during this time period (seventies) that light truck also used a housing (nine inch) made in the STERLING plant that used bearings pressed into the axle tube similiar to a 8.8" rear. Lot of pit falls here. Did you read the article I gave you? This reader found a setup off an eighties Town Car. It is just like the '67 SHELBY, it used rear brake assemblies from a '63 FAIRLANE. I am willing to bet that the rear you have will take the FORD flanged axles from a 57/59 and the rear brake assemblies also. The wagon will have the wider brake shoe. Re-read that article I gave you. It is going to be a matter of actually going into a yard, pulling wheels and measuring. Let me know what you find.
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68 S-code GT
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From: Sayreville, NJ, US
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posted 10-10-2003 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
Let me know what you find.
I have read the article before but they don・t mention what rears both cars had. As far as going to the yards, I want to do that real bad but I・m tied up at home and don・t have enough spare time to do it right know.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-10-2003 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:I have read the article before but they don・t mention what rears both cars had.
The donor has a 7.5/8.8" and the one he put the assembly on was a 8" or 9". What matters is the pattern of the axle tube flange. You should have the FORD large bearing pattern. Did you compare them? quote:
As far as going to the yards, I want to do that real bad but I・m tied up at home and don・t have enough spare time to do it right know.[/B]
Well...I was young once too...but you are going to have to tell her you need a little time with your car too... 
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 2958
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-10-2003 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
Well...I was young once too...but you are going to have to tell her you need a little time with your car too...
It was no problem when it was just my wife and I but we also have a 3 yr old daughter and our son arrived just over a week ago. 
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-10-2003 06:07 PM
 ...sheesh...
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 1046
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 10-11-2003 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:
What size brake did both the truck and the Galaxie have, 11 X 2 ・? I think the backing plates I have now are 11 X 2・ and are kind of crusty.
Sorry for the late reply. Was out of town overnight working. Not sure of the depth of the original truck drums. The galaxie drums were 2 1/4" deep, but I used a shoe for a 2 1/8". It was listed in the parts catalog. I went with the slightly smaller shoes to makes sure it had enough room.
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