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MidLifCrisis
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From: Frederick County, MD
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posted 06-17-2003 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to ask an honest question. If gobs of torque are desirable, then why not stroke a plentiful big block like the 390? It would seem to offer the ability to displace huge amounts of cubic inches thus giving more power. Is this mechanically feasible or not? Charlie

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mustangboy
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From: Ont, Canada
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posted 06-17-2003 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fe's in general can't take much of an overbore and using the biggest bore size of the 427 and the biggest stroke of the 428 only yields around 454 cubes.I'm not sure what is available from the aftermarket but most people would rather start with a 460(385 series) stock from ford.These can be built to be really big, well over 500 cubic inches if you want.The FE's also have been out of production for a long time and have some oiling issues as well.Used high performance parts are getting scarce and expensive.It can be done though if you really want an FE it just doesn't seem to be the popular way to go.

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ted
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From: Central Texas
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posted 06-21-2003 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ted   Click Here to Email ted     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the 390's still being readily available in this part of the country, stroking one in lieu of hunting down a 427 or 428 is a really good option. The stroker cranks are now available at a resonable price for the Fe's which makes stroking a 390 a worthwhile endeavor. I just stroked a 427 with a SCAT 4.25" stroke crank and the same could be done without any additional trouble in a 390.

The 4.25" stroke crank in a +.030 over 390 would net you an easy 445 cubic inches. To get around the camshaft to rod clearance issue, the SCAT cranks use the BBC rod journals which is really good 'cause the aftermarket rod situation is excellent in this respect. In my particular combination, I used the 6.700" BBC Eagle H-Beams just to keep the wrist pin out of the oil lands but I could have used the 6.800" rods just as easy.

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Ted E.
Fe's are plenty fast, but "Y"'s are fun when they run in the nines.

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 06-21-2003 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info. Do you know what kind of HP & torque numbers and quarter mile times are these things capable of? Charlie

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KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
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posted 06-21-2003 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-FE Stroking-

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ted
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posted 06-22-2003 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ted   Click Here to Email ted     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horsepower and Torque will depend upon intended usage and be a derivative of final compression ratio and cam choice among other things. For the 390 I built using a 428 crank, it was 496 HP @ 6500 rpm and had a pretty flat torque band from 3500 to 5750 rpms staying around 420 lb-ft torque.

The heads were ported C4AE-C with CJ sized valves, bore was 4.080, compression ratio was 11.1:1, Crower roller cam with .625 lift, PSE two piece single plane single four intake manifold, 1.76 roller rockers, and rotating assembly was internally balanced. The pistons were the TRW 2292's that I had cut ~.100" off the deck portion and retained the dome. This combination ran for three years in my altered roadster with 9.20's @ 143 mph being the norm. A broken spring (I was running triples) would slightly slow the car down to 9.30's but would kill the mph.

Valve spring breakage in the last year of running got bad enough that I eventually pulled the engine and replaced it with a 427 bored and stroked out to 458 CI. The one unique piece on that stroked 390 that I hadn't done before or repeated since was that I had the distributor running off the very front of the camshaft while I had a dummy distributor stub in the intake just to run the oil pump. The idea here was to isolate the distributor from the oil pump and stop any harmonics from the oil pump that could upset the ignition. Switching that back to a conventional ignition while the engine was on the dyno was something I wish I had done now to verify if my reasoning in this case was valid. It sounded good at the time and now that I think about it........ I believe I'll have to take another look at that again.

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Ted E.
Fe's are plenty fast, but "Y"'s are fun when they run in the nines.

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TomP
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posted 06-22-2003 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nothing wrong with the FE engines oiling system for normal performance use. Even as a 390 the engine can make good power with easily available modern parts.

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 06-23-2003 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I figured it would have Viper like specs. I appreciate the info. Charlie

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