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Topic: Oil pan to pick up clearance?
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 144
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-10-2003 07:31 PM
   
What's the recommended clearance from the bottom of the pan to the pickup? Is it about 3/8 inch? My Moroso (Chevoso  ) FE deep pan has about an inch which seems like way too much. I was thinking of going to a Canton "T" style pan for more ground clearance? Anybody have any experience with Canton pans? Thanks.
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steve'66
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From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-10-2003 08:19 PM
1/4-3/8" is good.  SteveW
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5248
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 05-10-2003 10:20 PM
1/4"-3/8" is best. An inch is way too much. I think Canton makes good stuff. For what they charge, it should be, but that doesn't always mean anything.
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 144
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-11-2003 01:16 AM
Appreciate the input. Thanks.
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-11-2003 11:20 AM
3/8" for small blocks
1/2" for big blocksYes, Canton makes good stuff. If you want to know anything about their stuff, ask away....
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 144
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-11-2003 02:25 PM
Hey Hemikiller, got a few Q's about the Cantons. I am going to a lower profile pan and am looking at the Canto T pans. They have two types for a FE. One is for road racing with more traps than the other one I guess for right and left turns. Is the road racing one be the way to go for a street strip car or would the lesser one be ok? My old 69 stang might pull 0.1g's in a turn with the current tires and suspension.
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-11-2003 07:42 PM
Afret, I guess it really depends on your ultimate goal with your car. I you are just going to cruise and do the occasional drag race, then the 15-810 will be more than sufficient. If you do intend on visiting the track often, or will be upgrading your suspension in the future, or if you just want the cool factor get the 15-820 road race pan. Either way you go, it'll afford you a ton more ground clearance. I'd also recommend their screen windage tray, 20-938. It's an improved version of the Motorsport unit with one way screen instead of louvers. (that was one of mine :-))
http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/pans/road_race/fe.html
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-11-2003 08:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hemikiller:
3/8" for small blocks
1/2" for big blocksYes, Canton makes good stuff. If you want to know anything about their stuff, ask away....
Where did you come up with that formula?
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 144
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-11-2003 10:44 PM
Thanks again for the advice. Now I just have to make up my mind on which one to get. 
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-11-2003 10:54 PM
Alex, that was what we used as a guideline for people to start with. 99% of the time for 99% of the applications it works fine. For specialists like yourself with time and energy to devote to refining your package, that formula may not work, or could be improved upon. I've used that formula myself for years without any problems. Then again, I don't race Super Stock either. I just designed the oil pans, I didn't race them.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-11-2003 11:03 PM
I just get the pick up as close as I can to the pan where it touches it. Then I smack the hell out of it to push it down.
Not very scientific, but it does the job.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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afret
Gearhead Posts: 144
From: Lancaster, CA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 05-11-2003 11:30 PM
Hemikiller, another Q. On the 810 pan description it states it has a slosh baffle. That means only one baffle  and is it mainly to hold the oil in the sump during acceleration? Thanks. Do you work for Canton?
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-12-2003 07:58 AM
Afret, the 810 has a slosh baffle over the top of the sump in the rear. Simple, but that is all you need to hold the oil. Yes, I used to be their R&D guy a few years back. More than a few parts in their catalog were of my design
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Mike_R
Gearhead Posts: 158
From: Indianapolis, IN 46237
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 05-12-2003 09:09 AM
What happens if you have too much clearance? For example 3/4"? Will that be a problem even if you have plenty of oil in the sump and the pickup always has plenty of oil around it?
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 05-12-2003 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_R:
What happens if you have too much clearance? For example 3/4"? Will that be a problem even if you have plenty of oil in the sump and the pickup always has plenty of oil around it?
You could possibly suck air during a launch when the oil sloshes back.
HK, you used to work for Canton?
How long ago?
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-13-2003 07:54 AM
Alex, I did my stint at Canton from '97-'99. I was the R&D guy who developed all the new products, and understandably, brought out a bunch of new Ford goodies, because the owner is a Chevy guy. I also did all of the custom pan design work, may have even done one for you!
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 05-13-2003 10:56 AM
You very well may have HK. We switched over from Moroso in 1998. We have about 5 custom Canton Tee pans in different configurations. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-13-2003 05:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hemikiller:
Alex, I did my stint at Canton from '97-'99. I was the R&D guy who developed all the new products, and understandably, brought out a bunch of new Ford goodies, because the owner is a Chevy guy. I also did all of the custom pan design work, may have even done one for you!
If you designed the 351C road race pan Alex recommended I buy, my compliments to you, it's a REAL nice piece. ------------------
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 421
From: Clinton, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-13-2003 05:55 PM
Actually, that was done well before my time. Yes, it is a really nice piece, and the next Cleveland will have either that, or a full-kickout drag pan of my own design. The RR pan is great for the drags, keeps the oil where you need it, especially off the crank. I did however have a hand in the 4.6 / 5.4 Road Race pan that was factory installed on the 2000 Cobra R Mustang. That was an experience, let me tell you. I left shortly before they went into production. That pan was what kept those motors in one piece, and I think a Ford engineer said they picked up 15hp, jsut with the pan. The factory 4.6 / 5.4 pan is a total POS, it just holds the oil from falling on the ground.
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