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afret
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posted 05-10-2003 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the recommended clearance from the bottom of the pan to the pickup? Is it about 3/8 inch? My Moroso (Chevoso ) FE deep pan has about an inch which seems like way too much. I was thinking of going to a Canton "T" style pan for more ground clearance? Anybody have any experience with Canton pans? Thanks.

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posted 05-10-2003 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1/4-3/8" is good.

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posted 05-10-2003 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1/4"-3/8" is best. An inch is way too much. I think Canton makes good stuff. For what they charge, it should be, but that doesn't always mean anything.

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posted 05-11-2003 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appreciate the input. Thanks.

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Hemikiller
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posted 05-11-2003 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3/8" for small blocks
1/2" for big blocks

Yes, Canton makes good stuff. If you want to know anything about their stuff, ask away....

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posted 05-11-2003 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Hemikiller, got a few Q's about the Cantons. I am going to a lower profile pan and am looking at the Canto T pans. They have two types for a FE. One is for road racing with more traps than the other one I guess for right and left turns. Is the road racing one be the way to go for a street strip car or would the lesser one be ok? My old 69 stang might pull 0.1g's in a turn with the current tires and suspension.

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posted 05-11-2003 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Afret, I guess it really depends on your ultimate goal with your car. I you are just going to cruise and do the occasional drag race, then the 15-810 will be more than sufficient. If you do intend on visiting the track often, or will be upgrading your suspension in the future, or if you just want the cool factor get the 15-820 road race pan. Either way you go, it'll afford you a ton more ground clearance. I'd also recommend their screen windage tray, 20-938. It's an improved version of the Motorsport unit with one way screen instead of louvers. (that was one of mine :-))


http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/pans/road_race/fe.html

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posted 05-11-2003 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemikiller:
3/8" for small blocks
1/2" for big blocks

Yes, Canton makes good stuff. If you want to know anything about their stuff, ask away....



Where did you come up with that formula?

As close as you can get it is the best.

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posted 05-11-2003 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again for the advice. Now I just have to make up my mind on which one to get.

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posted 05-11-2003 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, that was what we used as a guideline for people to start with. 99% of the time for 99% of the applications it works fine. For specialists like yourself with time and energy to devote to refining your package, that formula may not work, or could be improved upon. I've used that formula myself for years without any problems. Then again, I don't race Super Stock either. I just designed the oil pans, I didn't race them.

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posted 05-11-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just get the pick up as close as I can to the pan where it touches it. Then I smack the hell out of it to push it down.
Not very scientific, but it does the job.

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posted 05-11-2003 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hemikiller, another Q. On the 810 pan description it states it has a slosh baffle. That means only one baffle and is it mainly to hold the oil in the sump during acceleration? Thanks. Do you work for Canton?

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posted 05-12-2003 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Afret, the 810 has a slosh baffle over the top of the sump in the rear. Simple, but that is all you need to hold the oil.

Yes, I used to be their R&D guy a few years back. More than a few parts in their catalog were of my design

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posted 05-12-2003 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_R   Click Here to Email Mike_R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happens if you have too much clearance? For example 3/4"? Will that be a problem even if you have plenty of oil in the sump and the pickup always has plenty of oil around it?

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posted 05-12-2003 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mike_R:
What happens if you have too much clearance? For example 3/4"? Will that be a problem even if you have plenty of oil in the sump and the pickup always has plenty of oil around it?

You could possibly suck air during a launch when the oil sloshes back.
HK, you used to work for Canton?
How long ago?

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posted 05-13-2003 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I did my stint at Canton from '97-'99. I was the R&D guy who developed all the new products, and understandably, brought out a bunch of new Ford goodies, because the owner is a Chevy guy. I also did all of the custom pan design work, may have even done one for you!

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You very well may have HK. We switched over from Moroso in 1998. We have about 5 custom Canton Tee pans in different configurations.

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Originally posted by Hemikiller:
Alex, I did my stint at Canton from '97-'99. I was the R&D guy who developed all the new products, and understandably, brought out a bunch of new Ford goodies, because the owner is a Chevy guy. I also did all of the custom pan design work, may have even done one for you!

If you designed the 351C road race pan Alex recommended I buy, my compliments to you, it's a REAL nice piece.

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posted 05-13-2003 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, that was done well before my time. Yes, it is a really nice piece, and the next Cleveland will have either that, or a full-kickout drag pan of my own design. The RR pan is great for the drags, keeps the oil where you need it, especially off the crank.

I did however have a hand in the 4.6 / 5.4 Road Race pan that was factory installed on the 2000 Cobra R Mustang. That was an experience, let me tell you. I left shortly before they went into production. That pan was what kept those motors in one piece, and I think a Ford engineer said they picked up 15hp, jsut with the pan. The factory 4.6 / 5.4 pan is a total POS, it just holds the oil from falling on the ground.

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