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rockafellz
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From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 05-05-2003 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok guys, in preparation for the race that I missed , we installed a Proform shift light and set it to 5800 and added a 6400 MSD rev limiter pill. I've heard the msd pills can sometimes be off a few hundred.

We took the car out on Saturday afternoon to a deserted industrial area. Remember, i've never floored my motor until this point because it's a street car and I want proper break-in. Well, I floored it and didn't realize how fast RPMs shoot up when the pedal is floored , the light lit up at 5700-5800rpm followed by "BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA" rev limiter kicking in. I didn't even get a chance to shift into 2nd. Either the 6400 RPM pill is off by 400rpm or it kicked in at 6400rpm but it was awefully quick since the rev limiter kicked in as soon as the shift light lit up.

My goal is to shift at 6000. What should I set my shift light to? And I installed a 6600 rpm pill to prevent the rev limiter from ever kicking in again. By the way, the rev limiter sounds aweful. I had to make sure my motor was alright by pulling a nice burnout.

Erik

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64FalconF-16
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From: Republic Of Texas!! Temporarily living in KY
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 05-05-2003 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is always a delay on a shift. For me on a footbrake car like yours I subtract 200 RPM for my shift light. In other words if I want to shift at 6000 I set my shift light for 5800. If you have a Tach with recall you can work with the pill until you get it to 6000 RPMs.

I have had MSD pills off a few hundred before. scares the He!! out of you huh?

When I first let my Fiancee drive my 11 sec Brand X (non-Chebbie) car. I set the shift light at 5800 and the rev limiter was at 6200. It was off and I did not know it. She ran the car down the track and shut it down. half track. She thought she blew the motor. I checked everything out. No problems. Sent he out again, same thing, shutdown. Found the bad pill and had to convince her she did not break my car and to get back in the car. That was two years ago and now I can't get her out of the car.

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clevelandstyle
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From: Connersville, IN
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posted 05-05-2003 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally, would be more suspect of the Proform shift light being off, rather than the MSD. Proform makes some cheap stuff.

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Moneymaker
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posted 05-05-2003 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
I personally, would be more suspect of the Proform shift light being off, rather than the MSD. Proform makes some cheap stuff.



I agree.

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Dave_C
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From: Gadsden, Al
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posted 05-05-2003 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can use a digital ohm meter to check the MSD chips. Set the meter for the 20K ohm scale and touch the probes to the legs on the chip.

A 6400 chip will measure about 4.98 on the 20K scale. The 5800 should be about 4.35

All measurements may vary by .01-.02 depending on the meter. A couple of years ago I measured all my chips and made a chart. I also checked several chips belonging to friends to verify mine. While these are not exact, they are close. I made this list when I had an adjustable chip. It coulf be set with a screwdriver anywhere from 0 to 12K rpm.

MSD Chips
RPM Resistance
3000 1.91
3400 2.21
4000 2.70
4600 3.21
5000 3.58
5200 3.77
5400 3.95
5600 4.16
5800 4.35
6000 4.57
6200 4.75
6300 4.88
6400 4.98
6500 5.10
6600 5.20
6700 5.32
6800 5.43
6900 5.55
7000 5.65
7200 5.91
7400 6.12
7600 6.38
7800 6.63
8000 6.89
8600 7.69
8800 7.97
9000 8.27

Later,
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jsracingbbf
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From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 05-05-2003 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David's post brings us to another idea, albeit and old one. You can make an adjustable RPM chip out of an old Decade box. ( DECADE BOX = One knob, many selectable resistors @ less than 1% tolerance ) Although the one's you buy from MSD look nicer. Way back when I used an old decade box because I was into saving every little penny I could, so I didn't opt for the $40.00 MSD RPM selector. BTW if anyone wants to play with a decade box as a RPM selector let me know I still have a couple around here somewhere.
It makes a nice little project. Although it probably takes up more than $40.00 bucks worth of your time.
It's also a good way to get those "in- between" values, like 5560 RPM. Why you would need this I dunno but with precision resistors it can be done.

Take care,
JS

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jsracingbbf
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posted 05-05-2003 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot to mention the difference between a decade box and an adjustable RPM chip ( like David had) is precision resistors and the "click"------ anotherwords it "stops" at each position you assign a resistance value to.
So in this way you could make "tags" for the box and label them in RPM increments just like the MSD unit.

JS

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jkilroy
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From: Vicksburg, MS
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posted 05-05-2003 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't you just buy a $2 10 ohm cermet potentiometer from DigiKey and wire it in. You could then set it with a meter according to the chart shown above.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 05-05-2003 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That works great Jay----- until you decide you want to change launch RPM in the staging lanes. makes it nice to have a the positions marked.

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Dave_C
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From: Gadsden, Al
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posted 05-05-2003 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
That works great Jay----- until you decide you want to change launch RPM in the staging lanes. makes it nice to have a the positions marked.

It actually wasn't very hard to change the adjustable chip in the lanes. Every 1/4 turn of the screw equals 100 rpm. Just had to keep a very small screwdriver in the box with the tire guage and shoe polish. Pull the chip, adjust it and put it back.

This is the chip I had:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3257&prmenbr=361

Later,
David Cole

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