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SundanceKid
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posted 04-29-2003 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have leaned the carb out, thought I had the problem solved...no not even! So I enrichened the carb no differance. The float level is set at the sight plug would it be worth a try to lower the float level or not? Next step is to install a rochester, weber, or even a carter!

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Mpcoluv
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posted 04-29-2003 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you looked down in the carb with the engine running?
Is fuel dripping from the boosters at idle?
What is your fuel pressure?

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SundanceKid
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posted 04-29-2003 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have looked down the bores after driving and parked for a minute or two, per Alex's recomendation. It looks wet but not realy bad. I will see if it drips while running though. The veturies are wierd they look like wagon wheels. Economizer booster is what Holley calls em. So it will be hard to see drips.

I have no clue what the fuel pressure is. It has the stock mech fuel pump. So I shouldn't have too much pressure.

It just drives me nuts! Never have a single problem when I first drive it. Only when I drive park and then drive again. And even then it has days when it's good and days when it's bad. Theres no consistency at all!

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Mpcoluv
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posted 04-29-2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SundanceKid:
I have looked down the bores after driving and parked for a minute or two, per Alex's recomendation. It looks wet but not realy bad. I will see if it drips while running though. The veturies are wierd they look like wagon wheels. Economizer booster is what Holley calls em. So it will be hard to see drips.

I have no clue what the fuel pressure is. It has the stock mech fuel pump. So I shouldn't have too much pressure.

It just drives me nuts! Never have a single problem when I first drive it. Only when I drive park and then drive again. And even then it has days when it's good and days when it's bad. Theres no consistency at all!


Sounds like you might have a particle or something floating around in the metering block, if the problem comes and goes.
Worst case, pull both bowls and metering blocks and blow them out with an air nozzle....

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-29-2003 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was turning wrenches at a dealer years ago, we would occasionally get some cars in from the high altitude states for service. I would notice that everyone of them had a device known as a "Fil-to-reg.
It was a fuel filter adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Upon investigation I learned that high altitude vehicles were leaned way down and fuel pressure was reduced to 3.5-4 lbs. Further investigation into the parts books taught me that high altitude cars had different carbs and fuel pumps all together.
I would try lowering the float a tad.

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posted 05-01-2003 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, That would certainly apply here. That was along my thinking as well. I just didn't know if my thinking was correct.

Mpcoluv, It's a 2barrel I just recently rebuilt. If you know me you know I'm anal. Unless there were particles between the new filter and line. It only does it on the second startup. It honestly feels like vapor lock but the line and carb a cool to the touch. I will lower the float and see what I get.
Thanks for the help, keep the flow of thoughts comming.I if you can think of anything else let me know.

Mucho Gracias

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Tom G
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posted 05-01-2003 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom G   Click Here to Email Tom G     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it a motorcraft type screwin filter on it> I have had problems with that type. I replaced it with inline hose type no further problems. This was on a 2 barrel cleveland and a 351M motors.

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posted 05-02-2003 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always ditch the carb and pump filters and use an inline filter too.

I have been real busy lately.
Probably won't be till this weekend until I give the float adjustment a try.

Anyone have anymore suggestions before then?

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posted 05-03-2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The carb is dripping from the pasenger side booster at part throttle but not at idle. The Driver side seems to be completely automizing. I also noticed that the accelerator pump is dripping for a few seconds too. I assume that is normal. I dropped the float level 1/8" and the change made no differance to the dripping. Air bleeds? I just rebuilt the carb and used sergical caution in getting it clean?

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posted 05-05-2003 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What brand of needle and seat?
I don't like the Borg Warner style for Holleys.

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posted 05-05-2003 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, it was a Holley brand rebuild kit. Here's something interesting though;

After I lowered the float level the dripping only happens on the driver side over approx 3000-3500 rpm. The carb still hessetates upon second start-up. I cleaned the air bleeds using carb cleaner and compressed air. No change.

I then started it up and it was hessetateing worse then ever so I raised the float level above the sight plug bottom. This seems to have cleared the hessetation up, but who knows if it will last.
Now with the float raised the idle is slower and it tries to die when cold at stop lights. I raised the idle and the dieing at lights has stopped.

I've never worked on such a finicky carb ever! At this point it's "Drive it a week and see."

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SundanceKid
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posted 05-09-2003 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, we've been having alot of rain and the humidity is super high. The carb runs great but likes to idle at 200 RPM or dies at stop lights! Are Holleys that sensitve to humidity that the idle will drop 600 RPM?

I swear to ya I don't usualy have a single problem tuning carbs!

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SundanceKid
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posted 05-11-2003 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God I love this carb Humidity had nothing to do with it. The carb just up and desided to idle lower all of a sudden. No reason it just does now? So I raised the idle and for the time being it is running great again.
For how long who knows?

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SundanceKid
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posted 05-13-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Um,....yeah that didn't last long! The second start-up stumble is back.

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