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kid vishus
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posted 03-24-2003 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the deal, I went racing saturday. the car ran pretty good, but my 60' times arent as consistent as I would like. (I'm being picky). In the third round, I lost a significant amount of time in the first 60', and ended up losing the round by .001. Due to the 60' being off from the previous pass, the car slowed .03.
Here are my 60' times, 330' times and et/mph, the first two are time runs, the next 3 are elims.

1.351, 4.040, 6.323 @ 108.29
1.348, 4.027, 6.302 @ 108.78
1.352, 4.030, 6.307 @ 108.74
1.343, 4.019, 6.289 @ 109.06
1.356, 4.042, 6.319 @ 108.86

All passes were made in the same lane, and the air was getting better as the night wore on.

What I'm thinking is, I currently have 40* of total timing in it and 2 stepping it at 4200. I am considering turning the 2 step down to 4000 (the smallest chip I have) and backing the timing off to 38*. It will slow the car down some, but it "should" also make the launch a little softer and hopefully more consistent.

Does this sound like the correct direction to head, or should I be loking at something else? Just wanting some other opinions before I go change some stuff.

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F551
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posted 03-24-2003 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for F551   Click Here to Email F551     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you provide the times you made the passes at? You have that patern of slow, fast.... Maybe the converter likes a little heat to give the better 60'.

When we had problems with the 60' it was always tires. Our car beats the S%@#! out of them - a set a year

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steve'66
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posted 03-24-2003 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob,

That's the right direction, but I wonder when our t/c stall is soo high that the engine really never sees the bottom end during a run. In other words we try to kill off some bottom end, but the engine never runs that low of rpms to be affected.

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kid vishus
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posted 03-24-2003 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Times were ran as followed.
Run
#1 3:00 PM
#2 4:14
#3 4:59
#4 5:59
#5 6:37
#6 7:21

My tires have 82 passes on them right now. My burnouts are fairly mild now. They used to be fun (see: excessive).

I had the rear shocks set on full soft before I ever made a pass. With all the rain and rainout weekends we have had, I questioned the amount of rubber on the track before I ever made a pass.

Steve,
you maybe right, with a 6000 rpm convertor, and a 3 speed trans, it probably doesn't ever see "bottom end" power. I did tighten valve lash up .003 before I ran it this last time.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-25-2003 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KV, why don't you try raising the launch RPM to 4800 or 5100?
At 5100 you will kill off a bunch of the converter flash, stay out or the peak torque range and soften the hit.

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Butch Jennings
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posted 03-25-2003 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If my car was that good (consistent) I don't think I'd change a thing....lol.

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kid vishus
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posted 03-25-2003 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
KV, why don't you try raising the launch RPM to 4800 or 5100?
At 5100 you will kill off a bunch of the converter flash, stay out or the peak torque range and soften the hit.


I never thought of that. My car normally the higher I 2 step it, the quicker it runs (including 60').

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Dad Vishus
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posted 03-25-2003 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 words: power glide!

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-25-2003 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A powerglide is a boring ride.

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kid vishus
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posted 03-25-2003 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
2 words: power glide!



I don't need no steenkeeng 2 speed. That's a chebby transmission.

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F551
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posted 03-25-2003 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for F551   Click Here to Email F551     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahem - my car is not boring

Kid - at sometime during the race did they groom the track? If someone broke off the line they clean and spray glue....

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kid vishus
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posted 03-25-2003 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by F551:
Ahem - my car is not boring

Kid - at sometime during the race did they groom the track? If someone broke off the line they clean and spray glue....


They only cleaned one time, and that was the big end of the track.

I'm sure your car isnt boring. But a powerglide behind my little inch motor is a different story. I tried it once, and it slowed the car down 3 tenths in the 1/8.

I'll let everyone know what happens this weekend. I may or may not change anything other than launch rpm.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 03-25-2003 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
A powerglide is a boring ride.



HEY! My Power glitch is NEVER boring! It's always interesting to bet to see if it will make ONE more pass!


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